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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1560 on: October 22, 2018, 08:51:38 PM »
When did you get made a forum moderator Helen from Devon?

Had to look that up!!!

End of August 2017.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1561 on: October 22, 2018, 08:53:00 PM »
Why do you think he's still in a UK jail then John?

Can we be absolutely sure he still is?

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1562 on: October 22, 2018, 09:33:59 PM »
I don't insist that he is, I just think there are a number of "oddities" regarding this case.

One of them is that some people still think he's innocent  *%87 8()-000(

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1563 on: October 22, 2018, 09:45:22 PM »
Can we be absolutely sure he still is?

Didn't you write to him? Or was that someone else?
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1564 on: October 22, 2018, 10:15:00 PM »
Didn't you write to him? Or was that someone else?

I did.  There is a separate topic about that on the thread !!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1565 on: October 23, 2018, 10:40:29 AM »
I haven't been around tonight, and I see some of you have been very busy!!!!

Kayden, it is true that Nine and I do not know each other-----at all.   Also, I will state (although nobody has actually asked me) that I am in no way connected with anyone involved in the case!

I believe Jixy is right about people on the sex offenders register not being eligible for the Early Removal Scheme (ie back to one's home country).  I'm not posting a link, because (I am ashamed to say) I do not know how to copy and paste links----not very good at IT, I'm afraid.  However, I found it on the prison reform website.

If VT is serving out his sentence "in peace" because he knows he is guilty, then all well and good.  If, however, he is not guilty, there is NO WAY he will be serving out his sentence in peace!

We don't actually know that his family and girlfriend all believe he is guilty, even though we don't hear about them, and even though they all issued apologies/condolences to the Yeates family after the trial (which I thought was odd,  as one doesn't usually hear about the families of convicted criminals doing that).  There has been very little reported in the press since the trial (apart from the child porn conviction), so we don't know exactly what is going on.  I suspect there is a reason why the press is being so quiet, but then, I am a suspicious person!  I also strongly suspect there is a reason (other than believing in VT's guilt) why his family and friends are not protesting his innocence.

I also suspect that it is in the interests of the powers that be over here to keep VT in this country.  If he was back in Holland, he might just start talking, and so might his family.  Just my opinion, of course!  I will be very interested to see what happens when he has done his 20 years---whether they will find a reason to keep him in prison for longer, or whether they let him return to Holland.  I hope I live long enough to find out.

By the way, not all the forums have been taken down:  Websleuths and Bowland Central have good ones, and they make very interesting reading from back in 2011.

I have no faith in VT's confession, I am afraid, and I think his conviction is very dodgy, as the evidence does not stand up.  However, there is very little that I can do about it. I only hope, that one day, somebody with some real power questions this case.

BTW, a few people have suggested that I investigate "more worthwhile" cases where there may be a MOJ.  Apart from one person suggesting I look at Mark Alexander (which I am doing), nobody has suggested which ones they think are worth looking at. Well????????

So are you claiming to have written to Tabak to appease your curiosity?
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1566 on: October 23, 2018, 10:43:09 AM »
I have doubts about whether Vincent Tabak is actually guilty.  Yes, I know he may well be, and I am not accusing anyone else, but I have questions, that I hope some of you may be able to answer:
Firstly, yes, I know he made a confession, but how do we know he didn't make it under duress?

Why was it necessary  to employ a team of fire engines and a crane to retrieve Joanna's body? (The Daily Mail carried a photo of this at the time).

Why was Tabak's DNA not found in Joanna's flat, if (as was claimed in court) he killed her there?

What evidence is there that he had her body in the boot of his car when he went to ASDA?

How do we know exactly what he searched on his computer, and do computer searches necessarily make one a murderer? (I think the police would have a field day if they looked at mine!!)

Why, once the police had Tabak's DNA, (or so they said) ,did they not release Christopher Jefferies immediately?

Why did neither Jefferies, nor Tanja Morson, nor Tabak's boss, appear in court to testify as to his character?

Ok, so these are some of my questions.  I would be happier about Tabak's conviction, had there been better evidence, for instance, CCTV images showing him following Joanna home, or evidence of him buying cleaning materials in ASDA, rather than crisps!  To me, he does not seem a very likely murderer, and I am not saying this merely because he has a PhD, as of course I realise that someone with a PhD can commit murder!  But, really, a sexually motivated murder committed by someone who had only ever had one girlfriend, and who just happened to be the next door neighbour?

A lawyer called Sally Ramage, who was in court during the trial, has written an interesting account of it. Don't remember the link, but if you google Sally Ramage/Vincent Tabak, you will find it.

Any comments?????

1487

Yes, what's the 1487 at the bottom of your post?

Good conversation starter btw - you most certainly hooked Nine in.
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1567 on: October 23, 2018, 11:19:41 AM »
Yes, what's the 1487 at the bottom of your post?

Good conversation starter btw - you most certainly hooked Nine in.

If you scan this forum you'll note there are often numbers at the bottom of certain members posts.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1568 on: October 23, 2018, 01:09:38 PM »
I have doubts about whether Vincent Tabak is actually guilty.  Yes, I know he may well be, and I am not accusing anyone else, but I have questions, that I hope some of you may be able to answer:
Firstly, yes, I know he made a confession, but how do we know he didn't make it under duress?

Why was it necessary  to employ a team of fire engines and a crane to retrieve Joanna's body? (The Daily Mail carried a photo of this at the time).

Why was Tabak's DNA not found in Joanna's flat, if (as was claimed in court) he killed her there?

What evidence is there that he had her body in the boot of his car when he went to ASDA?

How do we know exactly what he searched on his computer, and do computer searches necessarily make one a murderer? (I think the police would have a field day if they looked at mine!!)

Why, once the police had Tabak's DNA, (or so they said) ,did they not release Christopher Jefferies immediately?

Why did neither Jefferies, nor Tanja Morson, nor Tabak's boss, appear in court to testify as to his character?

Ok, so these are some of my questions.  I would be happier about Tabak's conviction, had there been better evidence, for instance, CCTV images showing him following Joanna home, or evidence of him buying cleaning materials in ASDA, rather than crisps!  To me, he does not seem a very likely murderer, and I am not saying this merely because he has a PhD, as of course I realise that someone with a PhD can commit murder!  But, really, a sexually motivated murder committed by someone who had only ever had one girlfriend, and who just happened to be the next door neighbour?

A lawyer called Sally Ramage, who was in court during the trial, has written an interesting account of it. Don't remember the link, but if you google Sally Ramage/Vincent Tabak, you will find it.

Any comments?????

1487

We don't know the confession wasn't made under duress but as he's not claiming it was, there is no reason to believe such.
Don't know anything about fire engines.
DNA doesn't just fall off you, there is no reason for his DNA to be at the flat unless he bled or secretes bodily fluids there.
I guess they are guessing her body was in the car because of the time.
It's easy to tell what he is searching for n his computer and no that doesn't mean he's a murderer but the confession does. The confession which he has never retracted and for which there s no evidence of coercion.
No idea about releasing Jefferies but what is the point of having someone give a character reference when you have admitted murder?
Why would he need cleaning materials? She was strangled and not in his own flat.

I doubt his intention was to kill her but he clearly had issues where sex is concerned. No one looks like a murderer - if they did, they would be easy to spot.


 

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1569 on: October 26, 2018, 12:12:43 PM »


I,m sorry .. `I,m not trying to disrespect Jo,s parents..

The family i feel terrible for, its an horrendous crime, i cannot imagine, the pain that they have gone through, (and are still going through) and if i have come across in a way that suggests, I am disrespecting the family, I can only apologise.

There have been plenty of people whom, for instance, in America have  been given the death sentence, and the evidence has pointed to them, but only when you get a full picture of events do you really see what has taken place.

The west memphis three are a case in point.

http://www.westmemphisthreefacts.com/

Quite often in cases, its the little things that make all the difference.
Again I am not wanting to be disrespectful, I wasnt intending to cause alarm to them.

But, if Tabak didnt do it, his family must also be suffering.

I remember Stefan Kiszko he was asked to confess and told he could go home to his mum if he said he did it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed

Im sure there are cases in which you, yourself feels like there has been a miscarriage of justice, as that is the Name of the site.

And without looking into the small discrepencies, and time lines etc, we will never know.

If you genuinely believe there has been a miscarriage of justice in this case why haven't you done anything about it?

What's holding you back?


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1570 on: October 26, 2018, 12:34:18 PM »
If you genuinely believe there has been a miscarriage of justice in this case why haven't you done anything about it?

What's holding you back?

I have been doing all I can in my capacity..... I have no other way in which to highlight what I believe is wrong with this case...

Hence, here I am...