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Offline Robittybob1

Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« on: September 22, 2016, 06:07:40 AM »
Can we put Matthew Oldfield's statements under the microscope? 
Certainly Goncalo Amaral felt his behaviour strange but can we make out what it was all about?
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Matthew Oldfield's behaviour is perplexing. According to the two timelines, Gerald's statements and his own affirmations, he and Russell left the restaurant at around 9:30 pm to go their respective apartments. Matthew entered his accommodation by the front door, left again that way after glancing at his children, crossed the car park and walked round the building to go into the McCann's apartment by the rear patio door - the only one not to have been locked. He then went to the children's bedroom. In the first list, there is no mention of this visit: Matthew contented himself with listening at the windows; in the second, Russell notes that his friend saw the twins at 9:35 pm.
Page 94 Truth of the lie.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 08:32:33 AM »
Rachael Mampilly, Matthew Oldfield  partners.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 08:38:00 AM »
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One hour earlier, at around 1pm, the other members of the group of holiday-makers had arrived from London: the Oldfield couple - Matthew Oldfield (38), doctor, Rachael Mampilly (37) human resources manager, and their daughter Grace (19 months) - as well as the O'Brien couple - Russell O'Brien (37), doctor, Jane Tanner (36) marketing manager, and their daughters Ella and Evie (aged 3 and 1 respectively)

Also on that flight was Jeremy Wilkins and Bridget O'Donnell and their son and daughter.

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During the morning, only Madeleine's father, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner are interviewed. However, already contradictions and improbabilities are appearing from one to another of the statements, notably concerning access to the apartment.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 08:53:42 AM »
Right now for more of the knitty gritty brought up by GA
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- 21.30: Matthew Oldfield: (goes into the apartment, but doesn't go into the bedroom. He only sees the twins);

- 22.00: Kate Healy (goes into the apartment, and finds that Madeleine has disappeared).

If, as Kate states, the window was open when she went into the apartment, how come Matthew didn't notice? At the time when the latter went in, Jane had already seen the alleged abductor with the child. So, logically, if the crime had already been committed, the window should have been open.

Matthew says that the bedroom door was half open, Kate that it was wide open. It can be concluded that Madeleine was already no longer in the room - which Matthew should have noticed, if the other witness statements are to be believed.
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Let's give GA the benefit of the doubt.  Had creche man come forward the next day and told the PJ that he had passed that area the night before he wouldn't need to struggle over this.
Jane Tanner's memory would have been fresh and she would not have read the article in the Guardian  on Saturday.  It could have been quite different.
Was there some reason Creche man hesitated?  (future thread possibly).
I don't know if I'd try and work out if the crime had been committed just considering the doors moving.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 09:03:45 AM »
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As if the memory of the McCann family's friends suddenly came back to them, all - Rachael Mampilly, wife of Matthew Oldfield, Fiona Payne, wife of David Payne, and Russell O'Brien Jane Tanner's partner - recall having seen Murat on the night of May 3rd, shortly after the announcement of the disappearance, in the immediate vicinity apartment 5A. Meanwhile, of course, Murat's picture has been shown on television and in certain newspapers. They themselves were in direct contact with him during the previous days. However, it is only on May 16th that they deliver this information to us. As for the officers of the National Guard who were on the spot, they didn't see him that night, only the next morning, when he came to offer his services as interpreter.
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OK GA seems to be blaming the Robert Murat fiasco on this section of the Tapas 9.  Interesting.

How come he didn't use his powers of suspicion immediately in the discrepancy.  I suppose such a clear divide is still possible.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 10:45:36 AM »
I find Matthew's account of going to ask Reception to call the police strange. My conclusion is that either he didn't go [the receptionist never mentions him], he lacks any authority or conviction, or he wasn't convinced MM had been abducted;

Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police....and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it's difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten'......I said, you've got to phone the Police, you know, a child's been taken, and they went, oh no, she's probably just sort of woken up and he thought she's probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you're right, maybe you're right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he'd ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don't know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
 
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Offline Carana

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2016, 11:02:15 AM »
Can we put Matthew Oldfield's statements under the microscope? 
Certainly Goncalo Amaral felt his behaviour strange but can we make out what it was all about? Page 94 Truth of the lie.

I don't suppose it occurred to Amaral that perhaps Russell wasn't aware of Matt's 9:30 pm check at the time of his first attempt at collating input from various people. 

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2016, 11:19:06 AM »
I don't suppose it occurred to Amaral that perhaps Russell wasn't aware of Matt's 9:30 pm check at the time of his first attempt at collating input from various people.
I think you might be right.  I think we should use that as a standard explanation: "Russell wasn't aware of Matt's 9:30 pm check at the time of his first attempt at collating input from various people."

So does that seem logical?  Possible, that the two guys didn't talk about doing a check of the McCanns as they walked the distance.   
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Offline Carana

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2016, 11:40:58 AM »
I think you might be right.  I think we should use that as a standard explanation: "Russell wasn't aware of Matt's 9:30 pm check at the time of his first attempt at collating input from various people."

So does that seem logical?  Possible, that the two guys didn't talk about doing a check of the McCanns as they walked the distance.

Or he only remembered that detail a bit later when doing the updated list. People were in a panic that night.

Russell handed in both versions... that wouldn't make much sense if there had been an attempt to add checks that hadn't happened, would it?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2016, 12:05:21 PM »
Or he only remembered that detail a bit later when doing the updated list. People were in a panic that night.

Russell handed in both versions... that wouldn't make much sense if there had been an attempt to add checks that hadn't happened, would it?
So true.  I like your reasoning.  It makes sense and has helped me, for I tended to be a bit suspicious and I thought they were trying to avoid mentioning Matt's visit but your concept seems reasonable.  If it was a devious attempt he would have destroyed the first incorrect timeline.  Thanks.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2016, 12:14:35 PM »
Russell doesn't mention Kate or Matthew's check on 4th May;

At around 9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull [waiting pause] before being served with the first [main] course, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children. When he got there, his daughter **** was crying. He stayed in her bedroom with her. He supposes that Matthew checked his apartment. Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it. His partner came to take his place in ****'s bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

He's still hanging back on 11th;

 Around 21h25, taking advantage of a pause in the service of the first plate, the deponent left the restaurant with Matthew Oldfield to check on the children. He arrived at his apartment and immediately heard his daughter Evie crying and stayed in the apartment. He believes that Matthew Oldfield went to his apartment, and is not aware if he was going to also check on the McCann children and went to the deponent's apartment and asked him if he needed help.
- Matthew Oldfield returned to the restaurant, having told Jane Tanner that the deponent stayed behind with Evie O'Brien because she was crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

Kate doesn't mention Russell at all on 4th May in relation to 9.30pm, she says he went at 9pm, at the same time as Gerry;

Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK.....At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

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Offline Carana

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2016, 12:22:05 PM »
Russell doesn't mention Kate or Matthew's check on 4th May;

At around 9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull [waiting pause] before being served with the first [main] course, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children. When he got there, his daughter **** was crying. He stayed in her bedroom with her. He supposes that Matthew checked his apartment. Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it. His partner came to take his place in ****'s bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

He's still hanging back on 11th;

 Around 21h25, taking advantage of a pause in the service of the first plate, the deponent left the restaurant with Matthew Oldfield to check on the children. He arrived at his apartment and immediately heard his daughter Evie crying and stayed in the apartment. He believes that Matthew Oldfield went to his apartment, and is not aware if he was going to also check on the McCann children and went to the deponent's apartment and asked him if he needed help.
- Matthew Oldfield returned to the restaurant, having told Jane Tanner that the deponent stayed behind with Evie O'Brien because she was crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

Kate doesn't mention Russell at all on 4th May in relation to 9.30pm, she says he went at 9pm, at the same time as Gerry;

Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK.....At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

The people interviewed were responding to the questions asked.... These aren't verbatim reports of Q & A.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2016, 12:36:10 PM »
It is interesting to see Kate saying Russell did the check that is later assigned to Jane.  Jane and Russell had their substandard baby monitor.  Were they getting something on it that made Jane to go up as well. (For the story is that Gerry had finished by the time Jane walked past.)
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Offline Carana

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2016, 12:53:52 PM »
It is interesting to see Kate saying Russell did the check that is later assigned to Jane.  Jane and Russell had their substandard baby monitor.  Were they getting something on it that made Jane to go up as well. (For the story is that Gerry had finished by the time Jane walked past.)

Without double-checking yet again, upon returning, Matt told Jane that Russ was staying with the little one as she wasn't well. Jane then quickly finished her meal to take over so that Russ could have his dinner.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Let's have a close look at what Matt says.
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2016, 01:28:56 PM »
Without double-checking yet again, upon returning, Matt told Jane that Russ was staying with the little one as she wasn't well. Jane then quickly finished her meal to take over so that Russ could have his dinner.
That all happens between 9:30 to 10:00.   What happens between 9:00 - 9:30 is a bit less defined.
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