ShiningInLuz tours hits the mainstream Press.

[stephen25000]

To my way of thinking being pro-Madeleine does not consist of dogging every step of the investigation with FOI requests ~ complaining about every penny spent on her behalf ~ lobbying MPs ~ or raising one petition after another on one pretext after another ~ nor does it involve organising various outrages to impede any investigation or even just for fun.

Just one example among many ...

Sick internet trolls target Kate and Gerry McCann after Crimewatch special
THE new investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance has been hit by vile trolls.

Scores of people are thought to have made nuisance calls to the inquiry following a fresh appeal for information on the BBC's Crimewatch show.

Many boasted on Twitter about their time-wasting stunts, with some claiming they told the police new e-fits released on the programme looked like Madeleine's father Gerry, 44.

Twitter user LadyReeve wrote: "Awks when the e-fit is Gerry McCann! I'm going to ring in and name him just in case the police haven't got it yet #Crimewatch."
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/346131/Sick-internet-trolls-target-Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-after-Crimewatch-special

Ah Brietta, what of the internet trolls supporting the McCann's ?

Will you for once,  actually admit they exist  ?

[ShiningInLuz]

...

For example what chance do you give for Shining's 'ghoul' tours to convince a really dyed in the wool sceptic of the inherent near impossibility of Madeleine's parents or friends disposing of her remains in any of the ways he suggests they may have?  I would say none at all.

The people I meet for tours are people who have a good knowledge of the case.  As such, most if not all have formed a view as to what happened, and a tour or a conversation exchange is not likely to change their viewpoint.

What I gain from it is a rapid introduction to a great many things I was not aware of.  I basically started from scratch around June 2014, so compared to most of the knowledgeable bunch, I have years of catching up to do.

I read Textusa for quite a while.  Not because I believed Textusa's theory, because I do not believe it is correct, but because Textusa was highlighting parts of the puzzle that are important.  When I got up to speed a bit, I was getting less from Textusa, so I gave up on that as an information source.

I was out and about in Luz today and a comment earlier in this thread about the locals stringing me up on one of the 'STOP McCann Circus' prompted me to have a check on a few Stop signs.  I checked some, but I couldn't bothered to check all.

Those that I checked have all had the 'McCann Circus' part painted over.  You can just see it faintly, but you have to know what you are looking for.  To all intents and purposes, they are just STOP signs again.

This is an insignificant example of information exchange.  If the poster hadn't mentioned the STOP McCann Circus bit, I would not have checked, and would not have updated the forum.  You now have a tiny fragment of information that is unlikely to enter the media and is unlikely to pop up on any other forum.

And, of course, it is not going to affect one's view of what happened to Madeleine one iota.

[Brietta]

The people I meet for tours are people who have a good knowledge of the case.  As such, most if not all have formed a view as to what happened, and a tour or a conversation exchange is not likely to change their viewpoint.

What I gain from it is a rapid introduction to a great many things I was not aware of.  I basically started from scratch around June 2014, so compared to most of the knowledgeable bunch, I have years of catching up to do.

I read Textusa for quite a while.  Not because I believed Textusa's theory, because I do not believe it is correct, but because Textusa was highlighting parts of the puzzle that are important.  When I got up to speed a bit, I was getting less from Textusa, so I gave up on that as an information source.

I was out and about in Luz today and a comment earlier in this thread about the locals stringing me up on one of the 'STOP McCann Circus' prompted me to have a check on a few Stop signs.  I checked some, but I couldn't bothered to check all.

Those that I checked have all had the 'McCann Circus' part painted over.  You can just see it faintly, but you have to know what you are looking for.  To all intents and purposes, they are just STOP signs again.

This is an insignificant example of information exchange.  If the poster hadn't mentioned the STOP McCann Circus bit, I would not have checked, and would not have updated the forum.  You now have a tiny fragment of information that is unlikely to enter the media and is unlikely to pop up on any other forum.

And, of course, it is not going to affect one's view of what happened to Madeleine one iota.

I began this in 2013 so like you I am a fairly new kid on the block ... which I think actually has its advantages for evaluating the available information.

You have the ultimate advantage of being able to relate known events to the layout of the area.  I believe one of the biggest flaws in Amaral's hypothesis is his inability to suggest what may have happened to Madeleine's remains.

I think it would take a very closed mind indeed not to at least begin to think long and hard about that aspect.  Like any town in the world there must be many places in Luz where a cadaver could be concealed.  Your tour possibly sets the seal on the fact that none would be accessible to people who had no familiarity with or contacts in the town which would have enabled them to hide a little girl's remains so successfully that they have never been found.

That might have made a better story for the MSM than the one they came up with ... and it might have had the advantage of being one which had more mileage than the angle they went with.

[John]

The people I meet for tours are people who have a good knowledge of the case.  As such, most if not all have formed a view as to what happened, and a tour or a conversation exchange is not likely to change their viewpoint.

What I gain from it is a rapid introduction to a great many things I was not aware of.  I basically started from scratch around June 2014, so compared to most of the knowledgeable bunch, I have years of catching up to do.

I read Textusa for quite a while.  Not because I believed Textusa's theory, because I do not believe it is correct, but because Textusa was highlighting parts of the puzzle that are important.  When I got up to speed a bit, I was getting less from Textusa, so I gave up on that as an information source.

I was out and about in Luz today and a comment earlier in this thread about the locals stringing me up on one of the 'STOP McCann Circus' prompted me to have a check on a few Stop signs.  I checked some, but I couldn't bothered to check all.

Those that I checked have all had the 'McCann Circus' part painted over.  You can just see it faintly, but you have to know what you are looking for.  To all intents and purposes, they are just STOP signs again.

This is an insignificant example of information exchange.  If the poster hadn't mentioned the STOP McCann Circus bit, I would not have checked, and would not have updated the forum.  You now have a tiny fragment of information that is unlikely to enter the media and is unlikely to pop up on any other forum.

And, of course, it is not going to affect one's view of what happened to Madeleine one iota.

If I had the time I would love to do what you do and speak to people in Luz about the case.  It must be intriguing listening to people and hearing what they really think about the case and what has transpired over the last 9 years?

Far be it for me to put ideas in your head but have you ever thought of putting up some posters around the place asking Smithman to come forward?  Now that would get publicity!

[Alice Purjorick]

If I had the time I would love to do what you do and speak to people in Luz about the case.  It must be intriguing listening to people and hearing what they really think about the case and what has transpired over the last 9 years?

Far be it for me to put ideas in your head but have you ever thought of putting up some posters around the place asking Smithman to come forward? Now that would get publicity!

Who is the I.P owner of the e fits ?
Just an idle thought................ &%+((£

[John]

Who is the I.P owner of the e fits ?
Just an idle thought................ &%+((£

Interesting thought indeed.

[Alfie]

If I had the time I would love to do what you do and speak to people in Luz about the case.  It must be intriguing listening to people and hearing what they really think about the case and what has transpired over the last 9 years?

Far be it for me to put ideas in your head but have you ever thought of putting up some posters around the place asking Smithman to come forward?  Now that would get publicity!

I get the feeling (I'm sure SIL will be the first to put me in my place if I am wrong) that plastering PdL in any more posters concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann would not be a popular move.

[ShiningInLuz]

I get the feeling (I'm sure SIL will be the first to put me in my place if I am wrong) that plastering PdL in any more posters concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann would not be a popular move.

AFAIK, the last posters were around Oct 2013 after the Crimewatch programme, when the Sun decided that sticking the e-fits up in Luz would be an easy way to generate column-inches.

So the e-fits went up in English, headed SUSPECT, and in Portuguese, headed SUSPEITO.  If the man saw these e-fits, and if he recognised himself (given the Oakley e-fit thread suggests they are pure junk), then he declined to hand himself in.

The topic is very unpopular in Luz, so I will not be advertising my interest or contact details to the locals.

[John]

AFAIK, the last posters were around Oct 2013 after the Crimewatch programme, when the Sun decided that sticking the e-fits up in Luz would be an easy way to generate column-inches.

So the e-fits went up in English, headed SUSPECT, and in Portuguese, headed SUSPEITO.  If the man saw these e-fits, and if he recognised himself (given the Oakley e-fit thread suggests they are pure junk), then he declined to hand himself in.

The topic is very unpopular in Luz, so I will not be advertising my interest or contact details to the locals.

Hard hat and flak jacket at the ready eh?   

Best go prepared!

[John]

Then again...



Local businesses were pleased to display our appeals. Shop assistant Elane
Harvey said: “Hopefully it will do some good. We’re happy to put these up.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1062739/two-name-suspect/

[Miss Taken Identity]

lol Don't blame you Luz. Maybe if Amaral were to go on national TV and mention it.. just a thought.

[Mr Moderator]

AFAIK, the last posters were around Oct 2013 after the Crimewatch programme, when the Sun decided that sticking the e-fits up in Luz would be an easy way to generate column-inches.

So the e-fits went up in English, headed SUSPECT, and in Portuguese, headed SUSPEITO.  If the man saw these e-fits, and if he recognised himself (given the Oakley e-fit thread suggests they are pure junk), then he declined to hand himself in.

The topic is very unpopular in Luz, so I will not be advertising my interest or contact details to the locals.

Being an infrequent contributor recently I might have missed it but can I ask you SiL, have you had any direct response from locals to the ghoul tours articles in the Press and media?

[Mr Gray]

The people I meet for tours are people who have a good knowledge of the case.  As such, most if not all have formed a view as to what happened, and a tour or a conversation exchange is not likely to change their viewpoint.

What I gain from it is a rapid introduction to a great many things I was not aware of.  I basically started from scratch around June 2014, so compared to most of the knowledgeable bunch, I have years of catching up to do.

I read Textusa for quite a while.  Not because I believed Textusa's theory, because I do not believe it is correct, but because Textusa was highlighting parts of the puzzle that are important.  When I got up to speed a bit, I was getting less from Textusa, so I gave up on that as an information source.

I was out and about in Luz today and a comment earlier in this thread about the locals stringing me up on one of the 'STOP McCann Circus' prompted me to have a check on a few Stop signs.  I checked some, but I couldn't bothered to check all.

Those that I checked have all had the 'McCann Circus' part painted over.  You can just see it faintly, but you have to know what you are looking for.  To all intents and purposes, they are just STOP signs again.

This is an insignificant example of information exchange.  If the poster hadn't mentioned the STOP McCann Circus bit, I would not have checked, and would not have updated the forum.  You now have a tiny fragment of information that is unlikely to enter the media and is unlikely to pop up on any other forum.

And, of course, it is not going to affect one's view of what happened to Madeleine one iota.

Have you actually given tours to more than half a dozen or is it less

[ShiningInLuz]

Being an infrequent contributor recently I might have missed it but can I ask you SiL, have you had any direct response from locals to the ghoul tours articles in the Press and media?

The only local response I have heard of is best described as incandescent.  I have my tin hat and flamethrower at the ready.

[Mr Gray]

The only local response I have heard of is best described as incandescent.  I have my tin hat and flamethrower at the ready.

you have chosen not to answer the question...

Have you actually given tours to more than half a dozen or is it less?

I think is imprtant that posters know if this is a storm in a very.....very...very....tiny teacup