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Offline Angelo222

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #195 on: November 01, 2016, 02:32:03 PM »
Gonçalo Amaral has in many ways become the patsy or the fallguy but then this came about as a direct consequence of his own actions.

The Portuguese court found Leonor Cipriano guilty of killing her daughter and found proved that she was assaulted/tortured whilst in the care of the Policia Judicial in Faro. What one cannot do is pick and choose what to believe simply because it doesn't sit too well.

Coreia boasted after the PJ torture trial that "the target had been hit!".  He has refused to reveal who paid him to represent Cipriano and pursue the PJ officers. I think it's about time this was investigated as he was in cahoots with Metodo, who were being paid directly by the Madeleine Fund, this being an obvious conflict of interest.
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stephen25000

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #196 on: November 01, 2016, 02:43:13 PM »
Coreia boasted after the PJ torture trial that "the target had been hit!".  He has refused to reveal who paid him to represent Cipriano and pursue the PJ officers. I think it's about time this was investigated as he was in cahoots with Metodo, who were being paid directly by the Madeleine Fund, this being an obvious conflict of interest.

You've got it in one Angelo.

Correia was up to his eyeballs, in going after Amaral, ON INSTRUCTIONS TO DO SO.

Offline sadie

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #197 on: November 01, 2016, 03:03:07 PM »
I think we know from anecdotal evidence that child killers to do not have an easy time in prison and are, on the whole, despised by the general prison population. I believe this is even more so in women's prisons.
Perhaps some of the prisoners in Odemira jail had been falsely accused and badly treated by the Faro / Portimao PJ and knew the "score". 

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #198 on: November 01, 2016, 04:24:09 PM »

You all defeat me.  I have never in all of my life come across such nastiness, regardless of any proof.  I can only presume  that none of you have any idea of the damage that you do.

Offline Brietta

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #199 on: November 01, 2016, 05:29:45 PM »
You all defeat me.  I have never in all of my life come across such nastiness, regardless of any proof.  I can only presume  that none of you have any idea of the damage that you do.

Joana Cipriano vanished from a village a mere seven miles from Praia da Luz from where Madeleine vanished.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joana_Cipriano
There is little doubt that Joana's disappearance should have been reviewed in relation to Madeleine's to eliminate the possibility of a connection.  Just as SY did with the home invasions and assaults.

That proper diligence could not be done for the simple reason that Joana's disappearance had been 'solved' by the same team which was investigating Madeleine's.

Immediately that became apparent changes should have been implemented. Another team of lead detectives should have been deployed.  The team which had put Joana's mother and uncle behind bars for her murder could hardly be expected to investigate a possible connection to another case of a missing child in close proximity.

It is worth bearing in mind that another member of the team which worked on Joana's case,retired chief inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao, maintained a close relationship with Madeleine's while working as a journalist writing a daily column on the Madeleine case for Diário de Noticias.

Cristovao wrote a book on Joana's case.  He also wrote a book on Madeleine's.

I think it perfectly possible that Joana's relatives were the fall guys and I think it highly probable that Madeleine's parents were similarly to be the fall guys in her case.  To the extent that elementary, obvious lines of inquiry which did not point to them appear to have been ignored.

I don't think the description of 'fall guy' could be even tenuously associated with Amaral.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 01:23:32 PM by John »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #200 on: November 01, 2016, 09:16:18 PM »


I don't think the description of 'fall guy' could be even tenuously associated with Amaral.

Thats quite funny

Villified early on by the uk press

Sued by the mccanns

Attacked by madeleine fund money in unrelated case

Fall guy material a plenty

Offline misty

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #201 on: November 01, 2016, 09:29:08 PM »
Notwithstanding that he was unceremoniously dumped by his superiors......he was certainly the PJ's fall guy.

Offline mercury

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #202 on: November 01, 2016, 10:01:45 PM »
In answer to the op its a yea
He was off the case 5/6 months after it
9 years later people are saying its all his fault
Why?
Plenty of police have been on the case after him and for 8 years

And none have solved it
So basically amaral bashers are saying hes brainwashed all future policemen LOL too funny
Bit sick too


Offline Lace

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #203 on: November 02, 2016, 08:48:57 AM »

Right .......the thing is here you are all so happy to blame G A...put his head on the chopping block .....fall guy ...whatever....

you said you don't think G A should have been in charge .....

the mccs was ...

in charge of their children and well being ...and safety...

in charge of the decision........ to leave them alone....... .at risk....

in charge of .three small children .....in a unlocked room ..in a foreign country.....

The mccs were in charge....the children were dependent on them.... to keep them safe........... .......not G A.


I don't think you quite understood my post,   where in my post do I say that Amaral was meant to keep Madeleine safe?

It seems you have back tracked to the 'leaving them alone'  as you had no answer to the accusations Amaral made in his book.

I said I don't think Amaral should have been in charge,  and in charge he was,  I don't think he should have been in charge as he was a perjurer 'sweetie'
« Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 01:26:48 PM by John »

stephen25000

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Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #204 on: November 02, 2016, 09:02:21 AM »

I don't think you quite understood my post,   where in my post do I say that Amaral was meant to keep Madeleine safe?

It seems you have back tracked to the 'leaving them alone'  as you had no answer to the accusations Amaral made in his book.

I said I don't think Amaral should have been in charge,  and in charge he was,  I don't think he should have been in charge as he was a perjurer 'sweetie'

Before you say it, Amaral made mistakes, but the hypothesis of accidental death has most certainly not been disproved.


Meanwhile do you have any idea how many UK  serving police officers have a criminal record ?

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Offline Lace

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #205 on: November 02, 2016, 09:14:40 AM »
Before you say it, Amaral made mistakes, but the hypothesis of accidental death has most certainly not been disproved.


Meanwhile do you have any idea how many UK  serving police officers have a criminal record ?

I was answering xtina as to why in my opinion Amaral shouldn't have been in charge of the investigation.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 01:27:40 PM by John »

Offline xtina

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #206 on: November 02, 2016, 10:07:43 AM »
I was answering xtina as to why in my opinion Amaral shouldn't have been in charge of the investigation.

yes well .the investigation would never have happened .....if the Macs had took charge of there responsibility's ....

took charge of giving the children there right of being protected......

they were in a foreign country .in a unlocked room on a open road ...fgs
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline xtina

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #207 on: November 02, 2016, 10:32:36 AM »

I don't think you quite understood my post,   where in my post do I say that Amaral was meant to keep Madeleine safe?

It seems you have back tracked to the 'leaving them alone'  as you had no answer to the accusations Amaral made in his book.

I said I don't think Amaral should have been in charge,  and in charge he was,  I don't think he should have been in charge as he was a perjurer 'sweetie'


well seems he knew he would be the fall guy .......that is why he wrote the book...why should he take all the flack...he was doing his job ....its the mccs who wasn't

by Goncalo Amaral

Foreword

Certainly, this book responds to the need I felt to defend myself, having been discredited by the institution for which I worked for more than twenty-six years, without being given any chance to explain myself, publicly or within the institution itself. I made the request several times, but it was never heard. I, therefore, scrupulously respected the rules of the police judiciaire and I refrained from making any comment. But this goes without saying: I experienced that silence to which I was constrained as an attack on my dignity. Later, I was removed from the investigation. It was then that I understood that it was time to speak. To do that, I requested early retirement in order to be able to express myself freely.

However, the purpose of this work is more important: to contribute to finding the truth so that justice can finally be done in the investigation known as the "Maddie case." Truth and justice are two values strongly anchored within me, which reflect my profound beliefs: they always guided the work I did for the institution to which I am proud to have belonged. Even in retirement, they continue to inspire me and to be present in my life.

In no way does this text seek to challenge the work of my colleagues in the police judiciaire or to compromise the ongoing investigation. I am convinced that the disclosure of all the facts may, in the present case, result in harming the investigation. However, the reader will have access to unpublished information, to new interpretations of events - always with respect for the law - and, of course, to relevant enquiries.

The only objective of a criminal investigation is the search for truth. There is no place for the "politically correct."
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Lace

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #208 on: November 02, 2016, 11:03:57 AM »
yes well .the investigation would never have happened .....if the Macs had took charge of there responsibility's ....

took charge of giving the children there right of being protected......

they were in a foreign country .in a unlocked room on a open road ...fgs

For which they have acknowledged they were in the wrong.  It doesn't matter in what circumstances a child goes missing,  that child deserves an investigation which is run properly.   Are you saying that Amaral shouldn't have bothered because the McCann's left the children alone?

Offline Lace

Re: Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #209 on: November 02, 2016, 11:11:52 AM »

well seems he knew he would be the fall guy .......that is why he wrote the book...why should he take all the flack...he was doing his job ....its the mccs who wasn't

by Goncalo Amaral

Foreword

Certainly, this book responds to the need I felt to defend myself, having been discredited by the institution for which I worked for more than twenty-six years, without being given any chance to explain myself, publicly or within the institution itself. I made the request several times, but it was never heard. I, therefore, scrupulously respected the rules of the police judiciaire and I refrained from making any comment. But this goes without saying: I experienced that silence to which I was constrained as an attack on my dignity. Later, I was removed from the investigation. It was then that I understood that it was time to speak. To do that, I requested early retirement in order to be able to express myself freely.

However, the purpose of this work is more important: to contribute to finding the truth so that justice can finally be done in the investigation known as the "Maddie case." Truth and justice are two values strongly anchored within me, which reflect my profound beliefs: they always guided the work I did for the institution to which I am proud to have belonged. Even in retirement, they continue to inspire me and to be present in my life.

In no way does this text seek to challenge the work of my colleagues in the police judiciaire or to compromise the ongoing investigation. I am convinced that the disclosure of all the facts may, in the present case, result in harming the investigation. However, the reader will have access to unpublished information, to new interpretations of events - always with respect for the law - and, of course, to relevant enquiries.

The only objective of a criminal investigation is the search for truth. There is no place for the "politically correct."

Ah yes,  new interpretations of events!!   Yes,  where he accuses the McCann's of having something to do with the death of his dog,  of having mistaken his neighbours house for his during a burglary,  accusing Gerry of knowing that the person saying he had information to where Madeleine was, was a fraud,   for hinting the McCann's drugged the children,  for giving the impression Gerry was cold and calculated.   Oh yes,  new interpretations alright.

Search for the truth?  Now that is where I really can't take him seriously.