Has Gonçalo Amaral become the fall guy in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Miss Taken Identity]

 %£&)**#

It's up to you Mistaken, but I wouldn't like to see you in serious trouble.  A smack on the wrists perhaps. *&*%£

Only joking

%£&)**# some folks would pay good money for that.

Sadie, I am not sure if you are picking up correctly on peoples concerns and the right they have to challenge all claims made by the parents and TAPAS but it would seem you are confusing those of us who do so without  seeking punishment for the parents just for the sake of it. There are bampots out there who are nasty .  and seek to ply myths, this is not me or my fellow posters on this forum. I felt I needed to make that clear again.

Sorry, I don't know anything about posters changing names I called Shining in Luz= Luz as an abbreviation in the name. I was not implying anything.

[Miss Taken Identity]

If you wanted Madeleine to get justice you would want a Police Officer who could conduct a proper investigation.

I don't think Amaral should have been in charge of the investigation as he was an Arguido.     He lied in court.

Then he accused the McCann's of all sorts of ludicrous things in his book in order to turn the public against them and strengthen his theory that they were guilty of hiding Madeleine's body.

Trying this again...
In Red, Can you tell us what was not done properly in your opinion.

[Brietta]

I see the post that Mistaken just posted calling Shining in Luz by the name Luz, has been taken down along with my post reminding him/her that Luz was the nasty piece of work who tore the Madeleine appeal posters down and boasted about it.

My response has been taken down too; in fact it never was shown. 
Why?  have I hit the nail on the head?



This makes me wonder, 'Is Shining actually Luz' on a come back mission ?  Back here on a different name heavily disguised to begin with as a Mccann supporter?

The fact that her blog is riddled with titles "The Mccanns did it" (or similar words) adds to that suspicion.  That Shining, is pure and unadulterated disinformation and propaganda.

You are not dull.  You know as we all know that loads of people dont bother with the small print below the heading in large bold print.  People just read "The Mccanns did it" written by a 'respected' blogger.



Shining:  Are you a re-incarnation of the poster Luz?

Have no fear Sadie ... the mods seem to be fine with the objection you have to Shining in Luz being insulted by being equated with another poster.
Still here ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7660.msg362020#msg362020

Shining is renowned for efforts to publicise ... not destroy publicity ... on behalf of Madeleine.

It was perhaps one of the clearer examples that Amaral was unsuited to head an investigation into a missing child that he undervalued publicity and took the hump at the McCanns because they knew the value of such and did just that.

It seems that at least one adherent of that policy still subscribes to the 'no publicity' model feeling not the slightest bit of shame in boasting publicly to being a participant in destroying posters put up to publicise Madeleine.

[Miss Taken Identity]

This is me making accusations according to  Sadie and Brietta

Shiningin Luz said
« Reply #353 on: October 28, 2016, 07:08:13 AM
“AFAIK, the last posters were around Oct 2013 after the Crimewatch programme, when the Sun decided that sticking the e-fits up in Luz would be an easy way to generate column-inches.

So the e-fits went up in English, headed SUSPECT, and in Portuguese, headed SUSPEITO.  If the man saw these e-fits, and if he recognised himself (given the Oakley e-fit thread suggests they are pure junk), then he declined to hand himself in.

The topic is very unpopular in Luz, so I will not be advertising my interest or contact details to the locals.

John replied- with a picture
Hard hat and flak jacket at the ready eh?   

Best go prepared!

I replied
lol Don't blame you Luz. Maybe if Amaral were to go on national TV and mention it.. just a thought.

[ShiningInLuz]

I see the post that Mistaken just posted calling Shining in Luz by the name Luz, has been taken down along with my post reminding him/her that Luz was the nasty piece of work who tore the Madeleine appeal posters down and boasted about it.

My response has been taken down too; in fact it never was shown. 
Why?  have I hit the nail on the head?

This makes me wonder, 'Is Shining actually Luz' on a come back mission ?  Back here on a different name heavily disguised to begin with as a Mccann supporter?

The fact that her blog is riddled with titles "The Mccanns did it" (or similar words) adds to that suspicion.  That Shining, is pure and unadulterated disinformation and propaganda.

You are not dull.  You know as we all know that loads of people dont bother with the small print below the heading in large bold print.  People just read "The Mccanns did it" written by a 'respected' blogger.

Shining:  Are you a re-incarnation of the poster Luz?

Your post is still up on the ShiningInLuz Tours hit the MSM thread.

"Please dont call SIL Luz.  That is an insult too far.  S/he was the one that tore down and defaced the early posters of Madeleine appealing for information as to her whereabouts.  Then bragged about it."

I have no idea whatsoever who the poster called Luz was/is, other than it's not me.

[Lace]

Trying this again...
In Red, Can you tell us what was not done properly in your opinion.

Trying what again?

Amaral didn't call 5a a crime scene straight away and allowed families to stay there after Madeleine disappeared,  The bedding from Madeleine's bed was not kept for forensic tests.   Amaral did not check that there was any video camera's in the area straight away.  He didn't visit the scene and talk with the McCann's.   Amaral didn't order any photographs of the group.   He didn't have the twins tested for drugs.   Amaral didn't have Mrs. Fenn interviewed straight away.  Amaral didn't rule out Tannerman,  all he had to do was look at the list for the nannies doing the night sitting and look at the names to interview.  He misunderstood the forensic results.

Then after all this he decided the McCann's were guilty and wouldn't follow any other route but his own theory of what happened.

I am sure I have left a lot out.

Then he wrote a book and had the audacity to make out he knew what the McCann's were like, the man had never met them,  it didn't stop him saying that they give the children Calpol to help them sleep and that Gerry was a cold person among other accusations I have mentioned before.

[sadie]

Your post is still up on the ShiningInLuz Tours hit the MSM thread.

"Please dont call SIL Luz.  That is an insult too far.  S/he was the one that tore down and defaced the early posters of Madeleine appealing for information as to her whereabouts.  Then bragged about it."

I have no idea whatsoever who the poster called Luz was/is, other than it's not me.

Am so glad to hear that.

Luz delighted in destroyng the [posters bought by the fund and displayed all over PdL and surrounding district].  One massive poster had the address to contact and the contact telephone numbers very deliberately destroyed by paint being thrown over them.  Other posters were torn straight thru Madeleines face.

Someone didn't want any observers / witnesses etc giving their info in..  I wonder why ?  There has to be a reason


Please Shiining, look at your blog and remove those titles all proclaiming "The Mccanns did it " or words to that effect.  Just the addition of a question mark added to each would be better than leaving them up as they are ... cos they are sheer propaganda as they stand.

Many people just cant be bothered to read the small print.

[Benice]

Trying what again?

Amaral didn't call 5a a crime scene straight away and allowed families to stay there after Madeleine disappeared,  The bedding from Madeleine's bed was not kept for forensic tests.   Amaral did not check that there was any video camera's in the area straight away.  He didn't visit the scene and talk with the McCann's.   Amaral didn't order any photographs of the group.   He didn't have the twins tested for drugs.   Amaral didn't have Mrs. Fenn interviewed straight away.  Amaral didn't rule out Smith man, all he had to do was look at the list for the nannies doing the night sitting and look at the names to interview.  He misunderstood the forensic results.

Then after all this he decided the McCann's were guilty and wouldn't follow any other route but his own theory of what happened.

I am sure I have left a lot out.

Then he wrote a book and had the audacity to make out he knew what the McCann's were like, the man had never met them,  it didn't stop him saying that they give the children Calpol to help them sleep and that Gerry was a cold person among other accusations I have mentioned before.

Did you mean Tannerman Lace?

[Lace]

Yes, I did mean Tannerman,  thanks benice.

[stephen25000]

Have no fear Sadie ... the mods seem to be fine with the objection you have to Shining in Luz being insulted by being equated with another poster.
Still here ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7660.msg362020#msg362020

Shining is renowned for efforts to publicise ... not destroy publicity ... on behalf of Madeleine.

It was perhaps one of the clearer examples that Amaral was unsuited to head an investigation into a missing child that he undervalued publicity and took the hump at the McCanns because they knew the value of such and did just that.

It seems that at least one adherent of that policy still subscribes to the 'no publicity' model feeling not the slightest bit of shame in boasting publicly to being a participant in destroying posters put up to publicise Madeleine.

What has the publicity achieved ?

A very simple answer to that one.

[Brietta]

What has the publicity achieved ?

A very simple answer to that one.

Is there?  I would have thought that no internet poster can really say anything about Madeleine's case with any degree of certainty unless they are an insider working in the investigation.

[stephen25000]

Is there?  I would have thought that no internet poster can really say anything about Madeleine's case with any degree of certainty unless they are an insider working in the investigation.

Well, it's rather straightforward actually.

Has the means of Madeleine's disappearance been determined ?

NO, it hasn't.

Has Madeleine been found ?

NO, she hasn't.

[Erngath]

Trying what again?

Amaral didn't call 5a a crime scene straight away and allowed families to stay there after Madeleine disappeared,  The bedding from Madeleine's bed was not kept for forensic tests.   Amaral did not check that there was any video camera's in the area straight away.  He didn't visit the scene and talk with the McCann's.   Amaral didn't order any photographs of the group.   He didn't have the twins tested for drugs.   Amaral didn't have Mrs. Fenn interviewed straight away.  Amaral didn't rule out Tannerman,  all he had to do was look at the list for the nannies doing the night sitting and look at the names to interview.  He misunderstood the forensic results.

Then after all this he decided the McCann's were guilty and wouldn't follow any other route but his own theory of what happened.

I am sure I have left a lot out.

Then he wrote a book and had the audacity to make out he knew what the McCann's were like, the man had never met them,  it didn't stop him saying that they give the children Calpol to help them sleep and that Gerry was a cold person among other accusations I have mentioned before.

How damning and sad. Makes one weep at the opportunities missed.

[slartibartfast]

Trying what again?

Amaral didn't call 5a a crime scene straight away and allowed families to stay there after Madeleine disappeared,  The bedding from Madeleine's bed was not kept for forensic tests.   Amaral did not check that there was any video camera's in the area straight away.  He didn't visit the scene and talk with the McCann's.   Amaral didn't order any photographs of the group.   He didn't have the twins tested for drugs.   Amaral didn't have Mrs. Fenn interviewed straight away.  Amaral didn't rule out Tannerman,  all he had to do was look at the list for the nannies doing the night sitting and look at the names to interview.  He misunderstood the forensic results.

Then after all this he decided the McCann's were guilty and wouldn't follow any other route but his own theory of what happened.

I am sure I have left a lot out.

Then he wrote a book and had the audacity to make out he knew what the McCann's were like, the man had never met them,  it didn't stop him saying that they give the children Calpol to help them sleep and that Gerry was a cold person among other accusations I have mentioned before.

Can we have the cite for the Calpol please?

[Benice]

Can we have the cite for the Calpol please?

From Amarals book.  and  IMO a clear attempt to convince his readers that calpol was used on the children as a sedative.

Quote
One of the police officers who went to the McCanns' home in England, reported that a medical monitoring chart for Madeleine was posted in the kitchen. This referred to her sleep problems and made clear that she was waking several times in the night. The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep. That seems to be a common practice in Great Britain; they even talk about a "Calpol generation." In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.

The mother admits having taken some to Portugal. She insists though that there is no calming effect, its being composed solely of paracetamol, and that she did not give any of it to her daughter during the holiday. At the time of her disappearance, Madeleine was sleeping in the same room as the twins. The latter, in spite of the noise, the mother's screaming and the comings and goings, did not wake up, as if they had been given sedatives. Would there not be a link between that difficulty in falling asleep and Madeleine's tragic end?
Unquote

Anyone who can claim the above is not a deliberate attempt to convince his readers that Kate sedated her children with Calpol needs to explain what he was attempting to do.