Did OC reception let Madeleine down?

[mercury]

OK I think we are saying the same thing.  The first call to the police for MM in particular was at 10:42 PM. No one can be sure, but I suspect there was an earlier call but from a different phone or number for it is not on the OC phone log as the same number used at 10:42.

See post 72
Same og landline to gnr
There were two calls
First one at 2241 whatever then a few mins later again from same landline
There WAS NO call before 2241

[Robittybob1]

See post 72
Same og landline to gnr
There were two calls
First one at 2241 whatever then a few mins later again from same landline
There WAS NO call before 2241

OK as far as you know, but I think differently on that one, sorry.

[mercury]

OK as far as you know, but I think differently on that one, sorry.

Well...whatever.....whatever you thnk has zilch to do with reception making police calls

[sadie]

Well...whatever.....whatever you thnk has zilch to do with reception making police calls

And, of course, as Robitty says, calls could have been made on a different landline or even a mobile.

[mercury]

And, of course, as Robitty says, calls could have been made on a different landline or even a mobile.

Woukd have been picked up by pj, werent, so never happened

[Robittybob1]

Woukd have been picked up by pj, werent, so never happened

But the time of the Odiaxere callout has not been determined so all events are possible till we know when that call out was made.

[mercury]

But the time of the Odiaxere callout has not been determined so all events are possible till we know when that call out was made.

It doesnt matter
As your question was about oc reception calling out for the burglary in that region is wrong and nothing to do with MM

Ie OC did not call the gnr about oxiadere or odiaxere, i soell it wrong sometimes

OC called gnr at 2241 and a few mins kater

Odiaxere has nothing to do with oc calls to gnr or matt oldfields alledged requests to them to call gnr.

[sadie]

Woukd have been picked up by pj, werent, so never happened

ORLY ?  How do you know ?  Could have been received on another PJ line.

[Robittybob1]

Can we finally work something out?  John Hill says it was Lyndsay who informed him.

With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried.
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The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

Lyndsay says Amy informed her. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared. At that, she immediately launched the "missing child" procedure.

Who informed Amy T?

She confirms that, on the night of the disappearance she was on duty and immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open. It was then that she began to look in the wardrobes to see if the girl was hiding.

The first idea that occurred to her was that the girl could have left by her own means, however after checking that the window was open and the shutter raised she asked the parents whether Madeleine's shoes were there, to which they replied that they were, these facts led her to think that Madeleine could have been taken by someone.

So she doesn't say who informed her.  Was it Matt? The first thing she does is confirm MM is missing and then rings around.
It must have been early, for she got back to the McCann's apartment when the window was still open and shutter still raised.
She thought it was an abduction (taken by someone) but she does not call the police???  I find that weird.

What does her rogatory statement say?  Rogatory statement is all about the photos but she does say where she worked from

"When on the night of 3rd May, at about 24.00, she was at her desk at the Tapas bar, inside the resort,..."

So was she the person that rang Helder in the first place?  From Helder's statement:

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm
So if immediately means straight away there was some call to GNR around 10:22 PM if not before. And further calls after John hill and Gerry arrive (10:42 and 10:52).
Still we can't be certain where Amy was when she was first informed.  Was this at the creche? Or the secondary reception?  Did Matt have a role in informing her? We are not told.
With John Hill being informed a 10:28 one would assume Amy had completed her check and rung Lyndsay (10:22).  It was said it was Lyndsay who phoned John Hill.
John Hill had assumed the authorities had already been rung when he arrived, they had been rung but not arrived yet so they were rung again 10:42 and again 10:52 for some reason.

[Robittybob1]

To get a sequence as above (it seems to have a flow to it that matches 4 different statements.  Matt's statement would no longer make perfect sense especially if it was Amy who is the person who initiates the chain of action for OC.  Can we find any evidence that Matt talks to Amy first of all?  Matt's rogatory states:

so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it's difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten'.

So did he meet up with Amy at the nursery drop off? So asked the reception to phone the police is saying the reception at the night creche was asked to ring the police.  That could explain why Helder is not asked but gets to know via phone calls.  Would also explain how Amy knows where to go as she could have gone back with Matt.

But in the next bit it sounds like he is talking to a man not Amy!

Reply 'Yeah, sort of pretty much, you know, straight away, erm, I think it was only, but then it was a kind of, it was surreal when you got there, I said, you've got to phone the Police, you know, a child's been taken, and they went, oh no, she's probably just sort of woken up and he thought she's probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you're right, maybe you're right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he'd ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don't know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe. Erm, then we went back up to, or I went, because I was on my own, I went back up to the, erm, to the apartment and it was just obvious that she wasn't in the apartment, but we were still sort of just milling about on the street,

But he does mention going back to the apartment from there.

Matt admits to the confusion as to whether the Police were called or not :

by that time there were lots of MARK WARNER people around, erm, and they were very good, they, you know, they obviously, you know, got there and that might have been the impetus that got them to ring the Police, if, because I understand that there is some discrepancy about when we thought we'd called the Police and when the Police were actually called and that might be that they went on the, on that route first and then went, I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm, and at that point, Gerry had come down as well,

Well they were definitely called at this late stage (but was that "again" or the first time who knows).

[jassi]

OK as far as you know, but I think differently on that one, sorry.

If there had been an earlier call, would it not still have logged into the GNR landline irrespective of where the call originated?

[G-Unit]

To get a sequence as above (it seems to have a flow to it that matches 4 different statements.  Matt's statement would no longer make perfect sense especially if it was Amy who is the person who initiates the chain of action for OC.  Can we find any evidence that Matt talks to Amy first of all?  Matt's rogatory states:
So did he meet up with Amy at the nursery drop off? So asked the reception to phone the police is saying the reception at the night creche was asked to ring the police.  That could explain why Helder is not asked but gets to know via phone calls.  Would also explain how Amy knows where to go as she could have gone back with Matt.

But in the next bit it sounds like he is talking to a man not Amy! But he does mention going back to the apartment from there.

Matt admits to the confusion as to whether the Police were called or not : Well they were definitely called at this late stage (but was that "again" or the first time who knows).

The three nannies at the night creche wee informed by a mother who came to collect her child.

[G-Unit]

Just for Rob's benefit here are the calls made to the GNR on the evening of 3rd May 2007

[jassi]

What is this Greentrust SA mentioned against those two calls?

[Robittybob1]

The three nannies at the night creche wee informed by a mother who came to collect her child.

Who were the three nannies?  Was Amy T. one of them?