They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[sadie]

Only one door was not locked and that patio entry area was well lit and looked over at a distance of about 50 metres by the tapas group.

Why dont you believe Amaral when he says that NO intruder would go in that way?   I thought that you were an admireer of his?

[stephen25000]

They were in the restaurant in the garden - NOT next door.

They DID LOOK
Gerry visually checked, Matt visually checked the twins, and altho Madeleine lay around the corner he saw the bottom end of her bed.  Kate visually checked.  So why are you twisting facts and trying to make out things that are not true?

That is sinister Gunit and I wonder why you would promote such untruths.


They also Locked the front door, but did not double lock it. It still needed a key to get in.  For anyone outside, it was LOCKED.   They didn't understand the shutters and thought that if they were down then they were secure from the outside.  As far as they were concerned the front of the building was secure.

The only bit that was not locked was the patio door which they kept closed and which would have looked locked to anyone passing by.   That door was only a tiny bit over 50 metres away and virtually the whole patio area was illuminated by the street lamp immediately opposite.

Time YOU got YOUR facts right Gunit.  You have gone over it time and again ... and yet you are denying yourself and readers the TRUTH.

WHY ?

It was not in the garden.

You can type being in the garden again and again, but it will never be the truth.

[sadie]

So their 'front garden' wasn't public? Their 'Tapas back garden' was, of course. I believe from SIL that 'no gate' allows entry. Their were no gates on the car park.

Do YOU park in someone elses walled front garden Gunit?  If you have a walled or well designated front garden, do you tolerate the 'public' parking there?

It was private parking just for the apartments in block 5


The route thru the walkway was not closed to the public, but there was no advantage walking thru it, so people would carry on in the direction they were walking along the public roadway footpaths. 

The actual tapas (block 5) back gardens were again private and generally manned, altho when we tried no-one was on duty in the Tapas reception. 

As we were eating at the Tapas restaurant, I think that had someone been on duty at the Tapas reception, we would have been allowed thru.   However, it was NOT generally open to the public to wander in and use the facilities as desired.  The gardens were essentially private.

[sadie]

It was not in the garden.

You can type being in the garden again and again, but it will never be the truth.

It was in the garden.

Behave yourself stephen, you know it was there ... and just 50 metres way from the patio entrance to 5A.


Why dont you visit and see for yourself ?

[stephen25000]

It was in the garden.

Behave yourself stephen, you know it was there ... and just 50 metres way from the patio entrance to 5A.


Why dont you visit and see for yourself ?

Repeating a lie won't make it the truth.

[sadie]

It was effectively the back garden to block 5 apartments

Please do not keep repeating the same old mantra.

It was the back garden to Block 5, whether you like it or not.



You are anxious to try and make out that it was NOT the back garden because to the new reader it makes The Mccanns look worse.

That's what it is all about for you guys ... trying to make the Mccanns look worse ... trying to make out that they dined away from their apartment.

I can read you like a book .... and the true reason why you have to spread misinformation is .....?

[G-Unit]

They were in the restaurant in the garden - NOT next door.

They DID LOOK
Gerry visually checked, Matt visually checked the twins, and altho Madeleine lay around the corner he saw the bottom end of her bed.  Kate visually checked.  So why are you twisting facts and trying to make out things that are not true?

That is sinister Gunit and I wonder why you would promote such untruths.


They also Locked the front door, but did not double lock it. It still needed a key to get in.  For anyone outside, it was LOCKED.   They didn't understand the shutters and thought that if they were down then they were secure from the outside.  As far as they were concerned the front of the building was secure.

The only bit that was not locked was the patio door which they kept closed and which would have looked locked to anyone passing by.   That door was only a tiny bit over 50 metres away and virtually the whole patio area was illuminated by the street lamp immediately opposite.

Time YOU got YOUR facts right Gunit.  You have gone over it time and again ... and yet you are denying yourself and readers the TRUTH.

WHY ?

Why do you insist there was some sort of house-garden connection between 5A and the Tapas area when there clearly wasn't?

How many people leave their apartment, GO OUT of their garden gate onto a public road, walk 50 feet, GO INTO another gate into a walled 'garden' open to many other people containing two swimming pools, a bar, a restaurant and a kids playground? Any such person saying they were going 'into the garden' would have their head read.

Gerry only looked because 'the door had moved'
Matt only saw the twins because the door was open wide enough to see them.
Kate only looked in the room because the door was closed by the wind as she pulled it back to it's normal position.

The area was not illuminated by the street lamp, the street was very dark at the bottom of the steps if you look at the crime scene photos.

I find it strange that you can't debate without personal attacks on others, and I won't respond to such tactics. I expect any readers who care will decide for themselves what the truth is.

[sadie]

From memory the car parks of 4 5 and 6 have a 'privado' sign up, which is meant to imply that the public should keep their cars out.  And quite possibly their persons.

The trouble is, unless you secure everything, you cannot keep people off with a 'privado' sign.  Let me see what I've had.  The villa cleaner.  The pool cleaner.  The owners.  Some guy who fixed the pool before we rented it, showing off his handiwork to prospective clients.  Taxis aplenty.  And a very genial visit from the GNR.  And of course the ambulance.

If we kept the drive gates closed, then all of these people should stop at the gates and bing the bell, but we keep the gates open, and Tom, Dick and Harry can wander in.  The neighbours' dog takes the opportunity to wander in and have a c**p about once a fortnight.

The ownership of areas like the parking zones in the Ocean Club is something I'm not sure about.  I would assume Greentrust owned it and charged the apartment owners some annual fee.

The only person I can definitively place within the parking zone of 5A is the gardener who was in it on 2 May 2007

Thank you SIL.  The entrances had Privado signs up. 

[stephen25000]

It was effectively the back garden to block 5 apartments

Please do not keep repeating the same old mantra.

It was the back garden to Block 5, whether you like it or not.



You are anxious to try and make out that it was NOT the back garden because to the new reader it makes The Mccanns look worse.

That's what it is all about for you guys ... trying to make the Mccanns look worse ... trying to make out that they dined away from their apartment.

I can read you like a book .... and the true reason why you have to spread misinformation is .....?

Your changing your words.

It was never in the backgarden.

You do the McCann's no favours by typing that mantra, again and again.

[sadie]

Your changing your words.

It was never in the backgarden.

You do the McCann's no favours by typing that mantra, again and again.

Backgarden ... appartment 5a, 5b, 5c, 5d etc. etc.



PLEASE GO and LOOK for yourself if you dont believe Google Earth.

[stephen25000]

Backgarden ... appartment 5a, 5b, 5c, 5d etc. etc.



PLEASE GO and LOOK for yourself if you dont believe Google Earth.

I already did , quite a while ago.

I'm afraid this continued typing of 'being in the garden' will lead readers to this forum of an inevitable conclusion Sadie.

[sadie]

I already did , quite a while ago.

I'm afraid this continued typing of 'being in the garden' will lead readers to this forum of an inevitable conclusion Sadie.

Sarcastic devil.

It is so obvious that the garden is effectively the garden to the apartments.

[G-Unit]

Garden;  a piece of land next to and belonging to a house, where flowers and other plants are grown, and often containing an area of grass.

They can be seen below, one next to each ground floor apartment, clearly belonging to them because they're enclosed by walls and they have individual gates.

[sadie]

Garden;  a piece of land next to and belonging to a house,

Yep, I agree and also apartments/flats/hotels have gardens belonging to them too.

where flowers and other plants are grown, and often containing an area of grass. They can be seen below, next to the apartments, enclosed by walls and with gates.

yep, I agree.

But remember my hubbies garden as a child?  His garden was divided into two with a walkway, fences and gates between.  The main garden was at the far end, divided away ...just as the main Tapas garden is divided away.

Try and loosen up up about it .  You are too set in your ideas of what constitutes their garden like you were too uptight about people having gardens of 50 metres length.  You were wrong, same as you are wrong this time.

Posh hotels, very posh ones, have rooms/ suites with their own little gardens and sometimes even little pools within them, but the main area of gardens is their back garden too effectively.

And this is the case with the Apartments in block 5.  they have small private individual gardens but the Tapas area is their main back garden. 


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[sadie]

Our garden's 120ft long -what's that in new money?  I wouldn't dine there because it's on a slight slope with fruit trees all over the place.  I would dine in our pergola which is about 60ft from the house.  When we have "dos" we fill the whole garden with people and spill out onto the field at the back, music blaring, booze flowing, canapés flinging - where the kids are is anyone's guess 

Sounds great.  Can I come?