They were just 50m away, just like dining in ones back garden?

[xtina]

If they did -  they didn't make a very good job of it.

You devise a  plan to have an open window and shutters as your only evidence of an intruder -  and then close them before the police arrive - and don't even make sure that other independent witnesses see them wide open before you do close them.

A couple of 10 year olds could have made a better job of it.

IMO

the mccs are the one's who said the window was open.............................so who are you saying  closed them

[Robittybob1]

the mccs are the one's who said the window was open.............................so who are you saying  closed them

Good question.  I think it was meant as a question .....so who are you saying  closed them?

[faithlilly]

Can you please tell me what her friend reported she was worried about, specifically about leaving the door unlocked?

That would matter if Kate had been specific about  which part of leaving the children she wouldn't have thought about again. She wasn't.

[faithlilly]

In your version of events Gerry already knows M is dead and is hatching his plan prior to meeting Jes.  Jes reports that his behavious was absolutely normal and chatty.  Doesn't sound to me like a terrified person.

Not true but hey knock yourself out asking specious questions.

[Robittybob1]

Not true but hey knock yourself out asking specious questions.

Have you ever made your views clear?  Did you have a thread which you defend your views?

[xtina]

Good question.  I think it was meant as a question .....so who are you saying  closed them?

no it was said as a devised plan[by benice]..............

no one closed them they were still open

even k mcc didn't when she ran ....the so called 50 mtr .to get help...she still left them open

like you would think .if like dining in garden...and so close she would have called for help ......

not leave the apartment again .with twins inside ....and open window....

[Robittybob1]

no it was said as a devised plan[by benice]..............

no one closed them they were still open

even k mcc didn't when she ran ....the so called 50 mtr .to get help...she still left them open

like you would think .if like dining in garden...and so close she would have called for help ......

not leave the apartment again .with twins inside ....and open window....

I can't understand you really.  The windows were not open when the GNR and the PJ arrived so someone had closed them by then.  So how can you say "no one closed them they were still open"?
It is really important to define the time you are talking about.

[Alfie]

That would matter if Kate had been specific about  which part of leaving the children she wouldn't have thought about again. She wasn't.

You don't seem to have grasped the difference between concern for the children's safety (if she thought it was unsafe she would never have left them) and concern that Madeleine might wake and want to make them know she was awake (should. they leave the door unlocked so she can come find them).  At no point did her friend say that Kate was concerned about the kids' saftey so please stop calling her a liar, it's not her fault you can't understand the difference!

[Alfie]

Not true but hey knock yourself out asking specious questions.

Which bit of what I wrote is untrue?

[faithlilly]

You don't seem to have grasped the difference between concern for the children's safety (if she thought it was unsafe she would never have left them) and concern that Madeleine might wake and want to make them know she was awake (should. they leave the door unlocked so she can come find them).  At no point did her friend say that Kate was concerned about the kids' saftey so please stop calling her a liar, it's not her fault you can't understand the difference!

I do understand the difference, it's you I'm afraid who doesn't. Kate said that if she had to think for one moment it wasn't safe...........then expressed concern that it may not be safe to leave the patio doors open. So she obviously did think for more than a moment that it may not be safe to leave her children in the apartment with the doors unlocked. In fact so concerned was she about it that she sought advice from her friends.

[Alfie]

I do understand the difference, it's you I'm afraid who doesn't. Kate said that if she had to think for one moment it wasn't safe...........then expressed concern that it may not be safe to leave the patio doors open. So she obviously did think for more than a moment that it may not be safe to leave her children in the apartment with the doors unlocked. In fact so concerned was she about it that she sought advice from her friends.

Can you give me the specific quote where Kate expresses concern that it would not be safe to leave the patio doors unlocked then?

[faithlilly]

Can you give me the specific quote where Kate expresses concern that it would not be safe to leave the patio doors unlocked then?

At least two of her friends mention it in their rogatory statements. Or are they again another couple of witnesses who 'misremebered' the same thing simply because it did not correspond with the McCann's claims?

[Alfie]

At least two of her friends mention it in their rogatory statements. Or are they again another couple of witnesses who 'misremebered' the same thing simply because it did not correspond with the McCann's claims?

In which case you should be able to find the cites.  You've already quoted one on this thread which makes no mention of Kate's alleged fears for the children's safety re: leaving the door unlocked.

[Alice Purjorick]

I feel the opposite.  The work is beginning to show who was involved initially.  Some other theory must come into play later for I can't account for what happens days later.
 Jab, jab and twist.....

The only work of any relevance is that carried out by The Met and PJ. Are you saying you have the inside track on what they are doing ?

[faithlilly]

Can you give me the specific quote where Kate expresses concern that it would not be safe to leave the patio doors unlocked then?

Another of your rather now obvious tactics Alfie. You, I and everyone on this forum has seen the cites several time.