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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #420 on: December 12, 2016, 04:53:48 PM »
This is an eye opener:
http://www.iti.org.uk/about-industry/certification-sworn

"Many translation buyers believe that a professional translator has to be “certified” or “sworn” to do the job. However, in the common law system in the UK, we do not have the "sworn translator" concept that exists in civil law countries."

It becomes better:

"Acceptability of ITI certification to the authorities.

The legal advice ITI has taken is that ‘a certificate is acceptable if it is accepted’ and that ITI members should certify translations and wait to see whether a certificate is challenged and, if so, by whom. The Institute’s advisers feel that such a challenge is unlikely, or that by the time a challenge does rise, a firm precedent will have been set".


So much for the UK system.
It would seem in many other countries the rules are more prescriptive eg:

http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Portal/en/ServiciosAlciudadano/Paginas/Traductoresas---Int%C3%A9rpretes-Juradosas.aspx

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #421 on: December 12, 2016, 05:02:09 PM »
When it comes to evidence there would have to be some declaration that the translator has no pecuniary or legal interest in the outcome of the case.  (Ie definitely no conflict of interest in the outcome).   
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #422 on: December 12, 2016, 05:16:40 PM »
This is an eye opener:
http://www.iti.org.uk/about-industry/certification-sworn

"Many translation buyers believe that a professional translator has to be “certified” or “sworn” to do the job. However, in the common law system in the UK, we do not have the "sworn translator" concept that exists in civil law countries."

It becomes better:

"Acceptability of ITI certification to the authorities.

The legal advice ITI has taken is that ‘a certificate is acceptable if it is accepted’ and that ITI members should certify translations and wait to see whether a certificate is challenged and, if so, by whom. The Institute’s advisers feel that such a challenge is unlikely, or that by the time a challenge does rise, a firm precedent will have been set".


So much for the UK system.
It would seem in many other countries the rules are more prescriptive eg:

http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Portal/en/ServiciosAlciudadano/Paginas/Traductoresas---Int%C3%A9rpretes-Juradosas.aspx

Faites vos jeux........  ?{)(**

the portugues had Murat translating...is he sworn.......no

Offline jassi

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #423 on: December 12, 2016, 05:19:21 PM »
Was he translating or interpreting ?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #424 on: December 12, 2016, 05:25:47 PM »
the portugues had Murat translating...is he sworn.......no
I would say he had no conflict of interest in the case, other than a desire to find out what happened.  To remove him  from his position of translator someone schemed against him.  There is a report of an anonymous phone call dobbing him in.  Lori Campbell may have been alerted by someone else too.

Was he translating or interpreting ?
They are very similar when it comes to the likes of Robert Murat and Silvia Batista, but those translating the files are just translators IMO.
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stephen25000

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Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #425 on: December 12, 2016, 05:39:25 PM »
I would say he had no conflict of interest in the case, other than a desire to find out what happened.  To remove him  from his position of translator someone schemed against him.  There is a report of an anonymous phone call dobbing him in.  Lori Campbell may have been alerted by someone else too.
They are very similar when it comes to the likes of Robert Murat and Silvia Batista, but those translating the files are just translators IMO.

Who does Robert Murat strongly resemble Rob ?


Offline misty

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #426 on: December 12, 2016, 05:49:59 PM »
Who does Robert Murat strongly resemble Rob ?
The person to whom you refer did not carry out any translations between holidaymakers & the Portuguese police.

stephen25000

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Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #427 on: December 12, 2016, 05:55:38 PM »
The person to whom you refer did not carry out any translations between holidaymakers & the Portuguese police.

Wasn't this person in the vicinity of the events of May 3 rd  2007  ?


Offline misty

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #428 on: December 12, 2016, 05:58:49 PM »
Wasn't this person in the vicinity of the events of May 3 rd  2007  ?

The smoking or non-smoking section?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #429 on: December 12, 2016, 06:01:06 PM »
When it comes to evidence  that tthere would have to be some declarationhe translator has no pecuniary or legal interest in the outcome of the case.  (Ie definitely no conflict of interest in the outcome).

Where does it say that?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #430 on: December 12, 2016, 06:10:56 PM »
the portugues had Murat translating...is he sworn.......no

Well if he holds dual nationality then in UK ,had you been paying attention, you would have noted  he cannot be "sworn" as there is no such thing in the UK, so no surprise there.
Whether he is "sworn" in Portugal I would not know or care. Perhaps you will be kind enough to tell us how you know he is not "sworn" ?


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stephen25000

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Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #431 on: December 12, 2016, 06:18:35 PM »
The smoking or non-smoking section?

Why don't you ask Mr. Payne ?  8(0(*

Offline Brietta

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #432 on: December 12, 2016, 06:21:46 PM »
Well if he holds dual nationality then in UK ,had you been paying attention, you would have noted  he cannot be "sworn" as there is no such thing in the UK, so no surprise there.
Whether he is "sworn" in Portugal I would not know or care. Perhaps you will be kind enough to tell us how you know he is not "sworn" ?

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #433 on: December 12, 2016, 06:22:20 PM »
Well if he holds dual nationality then in UK ,had you been paying attention, you would have noted  he cannot be "sworn" as there is no such thing in the UK, so no surprise there.
Whether he is "sworn" in Portugal I would not know or care. Perhaps you will be kind enough to tell us how you know he is not "sworn" ?
if you had been paying attantion you would have heard his friend commnet that his portuguese was poor therefore it follows he was not sworn

Offline Mr Gray

Re: McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)
« Reply #434 on: December 12, 2016, 06:31:23 PM »
This is an eye opener:
http://www.iti.org.uk/about-industry/certification-sworn

"Many translation buyers believe that a professional translator has to be “certified” or “sworn” to do the job. However, in the common law system in the UK, we do not have the "sworn translator" concept that exists in civil law countries."

It becomes better:

"Acceptability of ITI certification to the authorities.

The legal advice ITI has taken is that ‘a certificate is acceptable if it is accepted’ and that ITI members should certify translations and wait to see whether a certificate is challenged and, if so, by whom. The Institute’s advisers feel that such a challenge is unlikely, or that by the time a challenge does rise, a firm precedent will have been set".


So much for the UK system.
It would seem in many other countries the rules are more prescriptive eg:

http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Portal/en/ServiciosAlciudadano/Paginas/Traductoresas---Int%C3%A9rpretes-Juradosas.aspx

Faites vos jeux........  ?{)(**

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