Who entered Apartment 5A and who didn't - a definitive study.

[Robittybob1]

No drawers pulled out and no furniture turned over is a pretty good clue, especially if he has experienced burglary himself.

"Nothing of value taken"! As we have already discussed.

[sadie]

"Nothing of value taken"! As we have already discussed.

That too.

[G-Unit]

from Matt's 4th May statement
I wonder how Matt worked out so quickly there had not been a burglary?  Especially when the window was open and the shutters up.

Did Matthew go into the apartment?

10th May;
Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

Rog. interview;
If you ask whether we went, you know, into the apartment and I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

Did Matthew go into the apartment?

10th May;
Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

Rog. interview;
If you ask whether we went, you know, into the apartment and I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Well when I read Matt's 4th May statement I took that to mean he also saw the window open and shutter up.  I'll check it again tomorrow.

Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter [external blinds].

And if he didn't go in after Kate's alert he definitely had been in before so we would expect to find some forensic evidence of Matt in the apartment.

[G-Unit]

Well when I read Matt's 4th May statement I took that to mean he also saw the window open and shutter up.  I'll check it again tomorrow.
And if he didn't go in after Kate's alert he definitely had been in before so we would expect to find some forensic evidence of Matt in the apartment.

The hairs were examined using mitochondrial DNA.

53 belonged to Kate (might some have belonged to her children?)
24 to Gerry
1 to Matthew
1 to Dave
2 to Russell
17 to unidentified persons.

[Brietta]

The hairs were examined using mitochondrial DNA.

53 belonged to Kate (might some have belonged to her children?)
24 to Gerry
1 to Matthew
1 to Dave
2 to Russell
17 to unidentified persons.

Not forgetting the dog hairs.

Specialist Examination Report 200707060-CR/LRequester: DIC PJ Portimao
Fax: 399 of 8 May 2007
Date: 4 May 2007
Then began the detailed observation of the apartment interior ending with the search and recovery of forensic trace material relevant to the present examination.Initially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator. Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077710/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2015


Or the botched prior attempt of technicians to take samples from the apartment ... which resulted in any chance of getting the most relevant and important forensic information from the crime scene being destroyed.
The dire effect that had just cannot be underestimated

[Robittybob1]

Not forgetting the dog hairs.

...... snip

Dog hairs - we are not talking hairs from Eddie and Keela but the sniffer dogs, so does that mean their handlers were inside the apartment too?  The dog handlers have not been included in any count as yet.

[pathfinder73]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_DUARTE.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm#p15p3862

Kate, Gerry, David, Fiona, Russell, Jane, Dianne, Matthew

[Robittybob1]

Victor Martins states:

That Gerald McCann, the missing girl's father, informed him that the children of the couples friends were in another apartment and that they were being looked after by the mother of one of the friends [Dianne Webster], who was never present in the apartment whilst the inquiries were being carried out.

I wonder why that requires a special mention?
Dianne webster was in the apartment earlier though.

[Robittybob1]

John Hill states:

- On the night of the disappearance he always saw the McCanns together in the apartment they were occupying at the time,

I'm not sure that means he himself went into the apartment, but I think by listing his name you think he did.

[Robittybob1]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_DUARTE.htm

As regards the searches, he say that he did not enter the apartment, as it had already been searched, but instead remained outside.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm 

When they entered the apartment they did not speak to anyone,......

[Robittybob1]

The hairs were examined using mitochondrial DNA.

53 belonged to Kate (might some have belonged to her children?)
24 to Gerry
1 to Matthew
1 to Dave
2 to Russell
17 to unidentified persons.

Do you have where these hairs were found within the apartment?

[Robittybob1]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_DUARTE.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm#p15p3862

Kate, Gerry, David, Fiona, Russell, Jane, Dianne, Matthew

Some of those are debatable as to whether they were in the apartment.

[G-Unit]

Not forgetting the dog hairs.

Specialist Examination Report 200707060-CR/LRequester: DIC PJ Portimao
Fax: 399 of 8 May 2007
Date: 4 May 2007
Then began the detailed observation of the apartment interior ending with the search and recovery of forensic trace material relevant to the present examination.Initially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator. Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077710/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2015


Or the botched prior attempt of technicians to take samples from the apartment ... which resulted in any chance of getting the most relevant and important forensic information from the crime scene being destroyed.
The dire effect that had just cannot be underestimated

I think they just picked up the human hairs and left the dog hairs.

[Robittybob1]

I think they just picked up the human hairs and left the dog hairs.

They would use a vacuum cleaner wouldn't they and then sort through the dust for hairs.