When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?

[Alfie]

Oh dear. Are people really so lacking in comprehension that all those advisory bodies need to add a footnote explaining what they mean by 'home'?

For the slow on the uptake 'home' in this context is a dwelling place where you and your children are based either permanently or temporarily. Even if you stay overnight at a friend's 'home' you shouldn't all go out and leave small children alone.

The difference between using a service which is offered as part of the price of a holiday and inventing something yourself is obvious to me.

When you pay for a service you expect it to work. If it doesn't work as advertised you are entitled to redress because you have paid for something you didn't get. The onus is on the service provider to make sure the service is delivered.

In this case a listening service was not offered because the resort was unsuitable.

Therefore the method of childcare adopted by certain guests was not something recommended or offered by the holiday providers.

Therefore it's plainly untrue that they were doing the same as holidaymakers who use an officially sanctioned listening service, despite the unceasing efforts to persuade people that they were. 

In what ways are "officially sanctioned listening services" better than half-hourly checks by parents?

[slartibartfast]

Because poster continually state the guidelines but want to ignore the fact that hotel listening services which are perfectly legal ignore the guidelines
What's your take on that

They weren't in a hotel?

[Mr Gray]

They weren't in a hotel?

So by inference you think the listening services in hotels are fine

[Robittybob1]

So by inference you think the listening services in hotels are fine

I'm sure they are.

[ShiningInLuz]

In what ways are "officially sanctioned listening services" better than half-hourly checks by parents?

We would have a reasonable degree of certainty that a listening check was conducted every half hour.  Kate's book suggests this was not the case.

We would have a reasonable check on Madeleine at 9.30pm, rather than the half hearted attempt by Matthew Oldfield, which seems neither to be listening nor visual.

The parents could have locked the patio door, since none of the checkers would have been entering 5A.

We would know, with a reasonable degree of certainty, when the shutter was raised, rather than the sloppy timescale we have.

We would have a situation where the party was told the location was not suitable for such checks, and decided to put a completely different solution in place.  One of the things that bothered me was why the Paynes decided to take a decent baby monitor with then, while the other parents did not, nor did they simply nip into the electrical shop next to Baptista to buy one.  On that front, I found out that baby monitors that worked over the distance from block 5 to Tapas were ubiquitous and cheap in 2007.

Instead we have ambiguity over the checks, an unlocked patio door, reliance on Kate that the shutter was raised and the window open, and a timescale of just under an hour for Madeleine's disappearance.

Might I suggest that if an official service had found the shutter raised, the window open, and Madeleine gone then the GNR might have been called much earlier than 10.41pm?

Please don't tell me the substitute put in place was as good as or equal to a service in a hotel or an enclosed compound, because it wasn't.   Those supposedly intelligent people couldn't work out that between the 6 conducting checks, they could have shared the load even doing it much more frequently than half-hourly.

[John]

Quite simply John
If the McCanns are telling the truth the window was open and Maddie was abducted

Not necessarily, there is such a thing as dissociative amnesia when a person blocks out certain information, usually associated with a stressful or traumatic event, leaving him or her unable to remember details properly. I point to the confusion over which door Gerry used and the Jez meeting as further examples.

[Brietta]

Are you asking us to believe that two police forces with live investigations are taking you, an internet poster, into their confidence  about even the broad nature of their inquiries?

Where did I claim to briefing by the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard?

[Robittybob1]

Not necessarily, there is such a thing as dissociative amnesia when a person blocks out certain information, usually associated with a stressful or traumatic event, leaving him or her unable to remember details properly. I point to the confusion over which door Gerry used and the Jez meeting as further examples.

There could be simpler explanations. 

[jassi]

Indeed, but you might end up on the naughty step if you voice them.

[John]

There could be simpler explanations.

What could be simpler than temporary cognitive disenfranchisement.   &%+((£

[Mr Gray]

Indeed, but you might end up on the naughty step if you voice them.

Not at all
The rules of the forum state you can call the McCanns shit parents but can't call amaral a shit copper

[John]

Not at all
The rules of the forum state you can call the McCanns shit parents but can't call amaral a shit copper

His police record was excellent if I recall.  Portuguese coppers don't rise to the rank of Coordinator without doing something right.

[Mr Gray]

His police record was excellent if I recall.  Portuguese coppers don't rise to the rank of Coordinator without doing something right.

Criminal conviction
Didn't understand the forensic evidence
Investigation described as how an investigation vshould not be run

[Alfie]

We would have a reasonable degree of certainty that a listening check was conducted every half hour.  Kate's book suggests this was not the case.

We would have a reasonable check on Madeleine at 9.30pm, rather than the half hearted attempt by Matthew Oldfield, which seems neither to be listening nor visual.

The parents could have locked the patio door, since none of the checkers would have been entering 5A.

We would know, with a reasonable degree of certainty, when the shutter was raised, rather than the sloppy timescale we have.

We would have a situation where the party was told the location was not suitable for such checks, and decided to put a completely different solution in place.  One of the things that bothered me was why the Paynes decided to take a decent baby monitor with then, while the other parents did not, nor did they simply nip into the electrical shop next to Baptista to buy one.  On that front, I found out that baby monitors that worked over the distance from block 5 to Tapas were ubiquitous and cheap in 2007.

Instead we have ambiguity over the checks, an unlocked patio door, reliance on Kate that the shutter was raised and the window open, and a timescale of just under an hour for Madeleine's disappearance.

Might I suggest that if an official service had found the shutter raised, the window open, and Madeleine gone then the GNR might have been called much earlier than 10.41pm?

Please don't tell me the substitute put in place was as good as or equal to a service in a hotel or an enclosed compound, because it wasn't.   Those supposedly intelligent people couldn't work out that between the 6 conducting checks, they could have shared the load even doing it much more frequently than half-hourly.

So if services that you pay for are better at looking after children than their own parents it begs the question why any parent is allowed to look after its own child - all children should be tken at birth and put into the care of salaried employees of private companies, that way we will know that they are being properly looked after.

[Robittybob1]

What could be simpler than temporary cognitive disenfranchisement.   &%+((£

I fear that paying the lawyer to use it would be quite difficult.