How was it light enough for Gerry to see Madeleine but the others couldn't?

[Robittybob1]

We can't rule out that the window was opened and shutters were raised in an attempted burglary.  Maybe Gerry disturbed him and he left without entering.
That could be a solution!  For how did Gerry see Madeleine if the room was dark?  Gerry didn't turn the lights on did he? So where is the light coming from to admire his kids?  So were the shutters raised but he hadn't clicked that the room was lit up more than it should be if the shutters were down.  Matt had noticed the room brighter than his apartment but he failed to really question why.
Is this possible?  If there was enough light for Gerry why did Matt and Kate still have trouble seeing Madeleine?

It appears Operation Grange was keen on the idea of a botched burglary, but at what stage did it go wrong?  Here I'm proposing the burglary only proceeded as far as opening the window and raising the shutters at which point it was abandoned due to being too risky.
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001976/Madeleine-McCann-kidnapped-European-child-trafficking-ring-fear-British-Portuguese-police-forces-say-focusing-theory.html#ixzz4Tb3UcBw9

[jassi]

We can't rule out that the window was opened and shutters were raised in an attempted burglary.  Maybe Gerry disturbed him and he left without entering.
That could be a solution!  For how did Gerry see Madeleine if the room was dark?  Gerry didn't turn the lights on did he? So where is the light coming from to admire his kids?  So were the shutters raised but he hadn't clicked that the room was lit up more than it should be if the shutters were down.  Matt had noticed the room brighter than his apartment but he failed to really question why.
Is this possible?  If there was enough light for Gerry why did Matt and Kate still have trouble seeing Madeleine?

It appears Operation Grange was keen on the idea of a botched burglary, but at what stage did it go wrong?  Here I'm proposing the burglary only proceeded as far as opening the window and raising the shutters at which point it was abandoned due to being too risky.
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001976/Madeleine-McCann-kidnapped-European-child-trafficking-ring-fear-British-Portuguese-police-forces-say-focusing-theory.html#ixzz4Tb3UcBw9

Are they still following that line, or has it now been abandoned like other 'leads' ?

[Robittybob1]

Are they still following that line, or has it now been abandoned like other 'leads' ?

I think the latest funding of OG was for something to do with kidnapping gangs ...

[Robittybob1]

So when Amaral and Co. thought the crime scene was staged, if they included the open window and shutters up in that concept, we now propose that "the open window and shutters up" was just part of the botched burglary and the Madeleine missing part still remains unexplained.

Generally there is talk of moving the sofa as a sign of staging, something I haven't seen being discussed much.

[Robittybob1]

The shutters were up when Kate did her check but in various interviews etc she recounts how difficult it was to see Madeleine in her bed.  Gerry on the other hand seems to see her and the cuddle cat etc so did he go right into the room?  Whereas Matt says he didn't go into the room and says he couldn't see Madeleine yet must have been in a similar location to Kate and yet she could see the bed at least.

Do those three situations become scientifically explainable?  They have me perplexed at the moment.

[stephen25000]

The shutters were up when Kate did her check but in various interviews etc she recounts how difficult it was to see Madeleine in her bed.  Gerry on the other hand seems o see her and the cuddle cat etc so did he go right into the room.  Whereas Matt says he didn't go into the room and says he couldn't see Madeleine yet must have been in a similar location to Kate and yet she could see the bed at least.

Do those three situations become scientifically explainable?  They have me perplexed at the moment.

No, we don't know the shutters were up.

Never independently verified.

[Alice Purjorick]

Are they still following that line, or has it now been abandoned like other 'leads' ?

That depends on which source you wish to believe !
From the link posted by Alfie, above:
"Portuguese police say they are 'completely in tune' with British detectives following a tip that a gang of European traffickers snatched Madeleine McCann.

Policia Judiciaria bosses say their relationship with the Scotland Yard team given fresh cash to investigate the new lead is 'easy and fluid.'

The comments, made by a Lisbon-based senior officer, will give missing Madeleine's parents fresh hope of answers to the near ten-year-old mystery.

The PJ made no secret of their rejection of the theory championed by former Operation Grange chief Andy Redwood about Madeleine being kidnapped from her Algarve holiday flat by a gang of thieves during a bungled burglary in May, 2007".


"Before this weekend's trafficking revelations, it was thought the botched burglary claims formed the final line of inquiry.

But Portugal's Attorney General's office confirmed today the last of six 'letters of request' Portuguese police based in the Algarve city of Faro had been asked to work on, was completed and sent back on October 25.

Officers in Faro had been expecting to receive a new letter asking them to arrange a fresh interrogation of four locals questioned as 'arguidos' or official suspects in July 2014 as part of the botched burglary theory - but so far none has been forthcoming".


Read all about it in Alfie's* link
Puis faites vos jeux


*Was it Alfie's link originally on another thread ?

[Robittybob1]

No, we don't know the shutters were up.

Never independently verified.

Is Amy Tierney not an independent witness?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm
"She confirms that, on the night of the disappearance she was on duty and immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open. It was then that she began to look in the wardrobes to see if the girl was hiding.

The first idea that occurred to her was that the girl could have left by her own means, however after checking that the window was open and the shutter raised she asked the parents whether Madeleine's shoes were there, to which they replied that they were, these facts led her to think that Madeleine could have been taken by someone.

However there was a bed against the window, which could have enabled the girl to climb up onto it and then up to the window, the witness thinks it would not be possible as she would not be able to open the shutters and even if she had done so she would have fallen outside as the window is too high for a child of that age to be able to descend without falling." 
Three referrals to the shutters being up.

[Robittybob1]

......
The PJ made no secret of their rejection of the theory championed by former Operation Grange chief Andy Redwood about Madeleine being kidnapped from her Algarve holiday flat by a gang of thieves during a bungled burglary in May, 2007".
 ......

Well lets explore another theory.  The Burglars left the shutters up and the window open, and had nothing to do with taking Madeleine.  Maybe other than waking her up!  I think those shutters make a terrible racket when being raised.

[Alice Purjorick]

Well lets explore another theory.  The Burglars left the shutters up and the window open, and had nothing to do with taking Madeleine.  Maybe other than waking her up! I think those shutters make a terrible racket when being raised.

1.Which burglars would they be?
2. "You do the thinking Butch that's what your good at".
Likely it was opening the window and firtling around trying to find the CDA to raise the shutter that was not so quiet.

[Robittybob1]

1.Which burglars would they be?
2. "You do the thinking Butch that's what your good at".
Likely it was opening the window and firtling around trying to find the CDA to raise the shutter that was not so quiet.

Burglars or would be burglars - could be the same group as the PJ/OG identified and made arguidos.
Don't bother answering unless you are willing to participate.
CDA what does that mean?

[Alice Purjorick]

Burglars or would be burglars - could be the same group as the PJ/OG identified and made arguidos.
Don't bother answering unless you are willing to participate.
CDA what does that mean?

Y'all turned into a mod bo?
If you don't know what CDA means you cannot possibly understand how the shutters operate which leaves you severely disadvantaged.

[Robittybob1]

Y'all turned into a mod bo?
If you don't know what CDA means you cannot possibly understand how the shutters operate which leaves you severely disadvantaged.

I know how they operate but the abbreviation is new to me.

[Robittybob1]

Silvia checks out how dark the kid's bedroom is
"This is confirmed in Silvia's statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm
"-- The deponent recalls further that she entered the bedroom where Madeleine had been
sleeping. Remembering it now that the door was closed. The interior of the room was dark. The
external blinds were down, light entering [the room] only through the holes in them. The windows
were shut and the curtains were slightly open. Gerry accompanied her on this visit, also with GNR
officers and he said that it had been him who had closed the window because the babies were still
sleeping there, which the deponent noticed to be true. Gerry stated that when he he was told about
Madeleine's disappearance he had found there the window and the blinds open, and the curtains
fluttering [as in the wind]. "

So with the exterior blinds down and the curtains drawn the room is dark when the  door is closed.
So for Gerry to see Madeleine the door would need to be open and possibly the shutters up.

[stephen25000]

Is Amy Tierney not an independent witness?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm
"She confirms that, on the night of the disappearance she was on duty and immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open. It was then that she began to look in the wardrobes to see if the girl was hiding.

The first idea that occurred to her was that the girl could have left by her own means, however after checking that the window was open and the shutter raised she asked the parents whether Madeleine's shoes were there, to which they replied that they were, these facts led her to think that Madeleine could have been taken by someone.

However there was a bed against the window, which could have enabled the girl to climb up onto it and then up to the window, the witness thinks it would not be possible as she would not be able to open the shutters and even if she had done so she would have fallen outside as the window is too high for a child of that age to be able to descend without falling." 
Three referrals to the shutters being up.

After 10 pm.

Irrelevant.