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Offline Lace

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1590 on: January 25, 2018, 07:40:52 PM »
AN interesting point made Gerry told the police Maddie could not have got out ber herself as she couldn't lift the shutters?  oh  he forgot to mention the unlocked door.. tsk!

Drugged questions  who?when?how?why?

Maybe Gerry was questioned as to whether Madeleine could have got out through the window by herself,  you don't quote the question to Gerry.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1591 on: January 25, 2018, 07:49:35 PM »
I beg your pardon?

Well that is certainly news to me.  All this time believing that they were within the restaurant, where did you get that from Gunit ?

Whilst i appreciate the doubt thru the plastic sheeting, from the espanade there would be no way that their visibility of a person walking thru the patio area of 5A would not be visible. 

Johns photo shows how it was without the plastic but from but a different angle to where The Tapas group sat.    And also when that photo was taken, the bushes needed cutting back to how they were on May 3rd 2007.  Greenery grows amazingly fast on the western Algarve and can rapidly blank out views.

I'm just going on what Gerry McCann said. Is he inside the restaurant?

https://youtu.be/dXtBWNCFt7U?t=481
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1592 on: January 25, 2018, 07:54:29 PM »
Maybe Gerry was questioned as to whether Madeleine could have got out through the window by herself,  you don't quote the question to Gerry.

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Offline sadie

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1593 on: January 25, 2018, 11:49:38 PM »
Just a bit!
The street lamp which "illuminates" the apartment is the same street lamp which offers little illumination in the "When Jane met Gerry and Jez saga".
As someone with an educated engineering background, I would have expected you to realise that even a lowish level of illumination in contrast to the blackness of the surroundings, would clearly outline a person. 


Offline sadie

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1594 on: January 25, 2018, 11:55:57 PM »
I'm just going on what Gerry McCann said. Is he inside the restaurant?

https://youtu.be/dXtBWNCFt7U?t=481


I can understand you being confused by this clip, if you haven't been there.

The plastic sheeting is taken down on this clip. 

Yes he was within the restaurant.




Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1595 on: January 26, 2018, 02:06:29 AM »

I can understand you being confused by this clip, if you haven't been there.

The plastic sheeting is taken down on this clip. 

Yes he was within the restaurant.
In Arlindo's statement that structure must have been called the Esplanade by the staff there.  What is the restaurant to some is the Esplanade to others.
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Offline sadie

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1596 on: January 26, 2018, 02:30:15 AM »
In Arlindo's statement that structure must have been called the Esplanade by the staff there.  What is the restaurant to some is the Esplanade to others.
No, i dont think so Rob

The Esplanade would have been the walk way in front of the Tapas Restaurant alongside the pool starting at the Tapas reception and after passing the Tapas restaurant and bar going on to the childrens paddling pool.  From there it reurned passing along the other side of the pool. 

It is a rather old fashioned word, but my Mum and Dad used it when at Bournemouth and other seaside resorts.  They strolled along the Esplanade.  It is usually a flat, wide and well paved walkway alongside the sea / water

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esplanade

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1597 on: January 26, 2018, 02:50:12 AM »
No, i dont think so Rob

The Esplanade would have been the walk way in front of the Tapas Restaurant alongside the pool starting at the Tapas reception and after passing the Tapas restaurant and bar going on to the childrens paddling pool.  From there it reurned passing along the other side of the pool. 

It is a rather old fashioned word, but my Mum and Dad used it when at Bournemouth and other seaside resorts.  They strolled along the Esplanade.  It is usually a flat, wide and well paved walkway alongside the sea / water

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esplanade

I'll copy the part of Arlindo's statement "After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else. "


Since the Tapas 9 were the last table to leave that is them in the Esplanade or at least what Arlindo calls the esplanade.
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Offline sadie

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1598 on: January 26, 2018, 10:17:07 PM »
I'll copy the part of Arlindo's statement "After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else. "


Since the Tapas 9 were the last table to leave that is them in the Esplanade or at least what Arlindo calls the esplanade.

I agree he does say that according to the statement, which was translated into English by (?)Portruguese Citizen, Ines

 471 to 473-Witness statement of Arlindo Epifano Goncalves Fernandes Peleja 2007.05.07


-snip-  After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else.   -snip-

Well that means one of four things imo

1)  That they were indeed sitting outside, under the restaurant roof, but in the gap between the Tapas restaurant and the Tapas bar

2) On that cooler night, the plastic side (window) to the restaurant had been taken down (as in the video)

3)  That Esplanade means something else in Portuguese to the British meaning

4)  That Ines, a portuguese national I believe, had messed in her understanding and translation, but I seem to remember that her English was pretty good


Now according to Arlindo

-snip-  He records that the past Thursday, 3rd of May, he left the central kitchen with the objective of going to the Tapas restaurant in order to determine that everything was functioning smoothly;
. When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10
   -snip-

He arrived there at about 9.10pm.  -snip- He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples    -snip-       

So where were all the other diners such as the Carpenters?

And Ines uses the word in, so does that mean that the walkway inside the restaurant is called "The Esplanade"?  Perhaps, as Ocean Club grew, the restaurant was a later addition to the area which originally was part of the Esplanade ?  Dunno.

However if the group were sitting there with no plastic window, then it cuts all the discussion as to whether they would hear Madeleine if she yelled.  Undoubtedly they would have and she would have heard them.  Also no ploastic sheet to look thru to see 5A, so a clear view both ways.

What a mix up.  Difficult to make sense of it all


Over to you.




Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1599 on: January 26, 2018, 10:33:49 PM »
I agree he does say that according to the statement, which was translated into English by (?)Portruguese Citizen, Ines

 471 to 473-Witness statement of Arlindo Epifano Goncalves Fernandes Peleja 2007.05.07


-snip-  After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else.   -snip-

Well that means one of four things imo

1)  That they were indeed sitting outside, under the restaurant roof, but in the gap between the Tapas restaurant and the Tapas bar

2) On that cooler night, the plastic side (window) to the restaurant had been taken down (as in the video)

3)  That Esplanade means something else in Portuguese to the British meaning

4)  That Ines, a portuguese national I believe, had messed in her understanding and translation, but I seem to remember that her English was pretty good


Now according to Arlindo

-snip-  He records that the past Thursday, 3rd of May, he left the central kitchen with the objective of going to the Tapas restaurant in order to determine that everything was functioning smoothly;
. When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10
   -snip-

He arrived there at about 9.10pm.  -snip- He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples    -snip-       

So where were all the other diners such as the Carpenters?

And Ines uses the word in, so does that mean that the walkway inside the restaurant is called "The Esplanade"?  Perhaps, as Ocean Club grew, the restaurant was a later addition to the area which originally was part of the Esplanade ?  Dunno.

However if the group were sitting there with no plastic window, then it cuts all the discussion as to whether they would hear Madeleine if she yelled.  Undoubtedly they would have and she would have heard them.  Also no ploastic sheet to look thru to see 5A, so a clear view both ways.

What a mix up.  Difficult to make sense of it all


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I had a whole thread on Arlindo and his timing was about half an hour out. 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

I haven't read all the posts on this thread but in answer to the thread title it's far more likely the twins were simply in a deep phase of sleep when all the commotion started and they were transferred to the Payne's apartment but apparently slept through.

Back in the 80's I studied psychology which covers the science of sleep.  I was reminded of this when I looked at the Bamber case where similar claims were made about the 6 year old twins who clearly slept through noise. 

Anyone interested can check it out: stages of sleep 1 - 4, REM and sleep spindles.  Stages 3 and 4 are difficult to wake from especially so for children. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline barrier

I haven't read all the posts on this thread but in answer to the thread title it's far more likely the twins were simply in a deep phase of sleep when all the commotion started and they were transferred to the Payne's apartment but apparently slept through.

Back in the 80's I studied psychology which covers the science of sleep.  I was reminded of this when I looked at the Bamber case where similar claims were made about the 6 year old twins who clearly slept through noise. 

Anyone interested can check it out: stages of sleep 1 - 4, REM and sleep spindles.  Stages 3 and 4 are difficult to wake from especially so for children.

Always good to have a different perspective,would stages 3/4 be expected after about 3 hrs sleep?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Always good to have a different perspective,would stages 3/4 be expected after about 3 hrs sleep?

Thanks.  Yes the stages are on a continual cycle throughout a nights sleep.  The following explains:

https://www.tuck.com/stages/#what_are_the_stages_of_sleep_

https://www.tuck.com/stages/#what_is_a_sleep_cycle_

https://www.tuck.com/stages/#how_your_sleep_cycle_changes_with_age

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Always good to have a different perspective,would stages 3/4 be expected after about 3 hrs sleep?

I've seen it first hand with one of my sons... I wanted to wake him up but it was basically impossible... He was totally worn out after playing all day on his new bike

Offline barrier

Thanks.  Yes the stages are on a continual cycle throughout a nights sleep.  The following explains:

https://www.tuck.com/stages/#what_are_the_stages_of_sleep_

https://www.tuck.com/stages/#what_is_a_sleep_cycle_

https://www.tuck.com/stages/#how_your_sleep_cycle_changes_with_age

So Smithman could have been carrying a deep sleeping child.
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