Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Holly Goodhead]

So Smithman could have been carrying a deep sleeping child.

Sorry you will need to explain - I know very little about the case.  Is Smithman the man Jane Tanner saw carrying a child wearing similar pj's to MM's?   

[jassi]

Sorry you will need to explain - I know very little about the case.  Is Smithman the man Jane Tanner saw carrying a child wearing similar pj's to MM's?   

Only in the minds of the McCanns and some of their supporters.

[barrier]

Sorry you will need to explain - I know very little about the case.  Is Smithman the man Jane Tanner saw carrying a child wearing similar pj's to MM's?   

No Smithman was seen at circa 10pm by a family named the smiths.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[Holly Goodhead]

No Smithman was seen at circa 10pm by a family named the smiths.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Thanks.  It will take me a while to read this.  Meanwhile I have to do some ironing and housework 

[ShiningInLuz]

Sorry you will need to explain - I know very little about the case.  Is Smithman the man Jane Tanner saw carrying a child wearing similar pj's to MM's?   

These are two separate incidents.

The first is 'Tannerman', walking W to East close to apartment 5A , and seen by Jane Tanner around 9:15 pm.

The second is 'Smithman', walking N to S around 600m away, and seen by by 9 members of the Smith family, around 10 pm.

There is debate on this forum as to whether these are two people or one single person.

I have tried reconstructing the Tannerman-Smithman route, and it took perhaps 6 minutes, so there is a timing issue.

Plus Tannerman has allegedly been identified as Dr Julian Totman, and entirely innocent.  One fly in the ointment is he should have been going the other way.

PS Welcome to this chunk of the forum, Holly.  Hopefully you have fireproof underwear on.  It's BBQ time.   

[faithlilly]

I've seen it first hand with one of my sons... I wanted to wake him up but it was basically impossible... He was totally worn out after playing all day on his new bike

But two children ?

[Mr Gray]

But two children ?

I don't see why not

[Lace]

Some children can sleep through anything.   I saw a child of two sleep through a live concert.

The children didn't wake up on the other days apart from Tuesday night but that was about 12 o'clock.   What about Sunday,  Monday,  Wednesday?   Why didn't they show symptoms of being drugged,  drowsy during the day,  not quite with it.   On the contrary Madeleine was full of life by the sound of it.   IMO

[Vertigo Swirl]

But two children ?

Twins.  Both had the exact same day, pretty much so why not?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Some children can sleep through anything.   I saw a child of two sleep through a live concert.

The children didn't wake up on the other days apart from Tuesday night but that was about 12 o'clock.   What about Sunday,  Monday,  Wednesday?   Why didn't they show symptoms of being drugged,  drowsy during the day,  not quite with it.   On the contrary Madeleine was full of life by the sound of it.   IMO

ACTUALLY if you read anything the Tapas  say you will discover the children were,'very tired'

Yes I also watched children sleeping what is your point?

The discussion is about what Kate thought and said. Kate is a trained anaethatist so she should know, and also she has told us the childern have woke during the nights they were left alone. The reason they listened at the door was to hear crying or other signs of children being awake.
She also explains that using a specific door was so as not to wake the children. She must have had a reason for thinking a door opening would wake her very soundly sleeping children.

[barrier]

ACTUALLY if you read anything the Tapas  say you will discover the children were,'very tired'

Yes I also watched children sleeping what is your point?

The discussion is about what Kate thought and said. Kate is a trained anaethatist so she should know, and also she has told us the childern have woke during the nights they were left alone. The reason they listened at the door was to hear crying or other signs of children being awake.
She also explains that using a specific door was so as not to wake the children. She must have had a reason for thinking a door opening would wake her very soundly sleeping children.

The slamming and whoosing had no effect either.

[Erngath]

The slamming and whoosing had no effect either.

Often when visiting my parents we would bath the children, get them in their pyjamas and then set.home.
Half an hour later they were lifted out of the car, carried into the.house and put into bed.
No effect either?

[faithlilly]

Often when visiting my parents we would bath the children, get them in their pyjamas and then set.home.
Half an hour later they were lifted out of the car, carried into the.house and put into bed.
No effect either?

And I’ll bet you both tried to be as quiet as mice.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Often when visiting my parents we would bath the children, get them in their pyjamas and then set.home.
Half an hour later they were lifted out of the car, carried into the.house and put into bed.
No effect either?

Did you think someone had drugged them?

All these supporters stories are wonderful and... almost interesting.

However, this  particular thread isn't about them or their families- it is very clearly written:
Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.


I have just a little idea what the reason for this is:  they are making excuses like the McCanns for the questions about why the twins who were known as light sleepers- were unpreturbed by the chaos of that evening.
Kate gives her reason - not that the were always very sound sleepers, or they were very tired but that'they must have been drugged by an abductor'

So...

[Erngath]

And I’ll bet you both tried to be as quiet as mice.

I will try to explain.
We had three children under the age of four
They slept in the same bedroom and were very used to one or other needing to get up to the toilet, or one coughing or one needing a drink, or being in the car and being taken from the car and plonked into bed.
Slept through it all.
I could switch on a light and go into their room and put clothes away.
Mine could have slept through a nuclear war.
Share your experience about having three children under the age of four.