Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Do you ever make a post without resorting to the usual sceptic mantra?

So you hate the idea that I do not post supporters mantras.  how ssad too bad.

Your  negative opinion of my posts are well documented.

[Brietta]

There are many drugs available to doctors, given as samples by pharmaceutical companies etc, that could be used to sedate a child...and if the children were drugged I believe that it was all of them.

Apparently Amaral's drug of choice was Calpol ... now there's a thing!

[Mr Gray]

Apparently Amaral's drug of choice was Calpol ... now there's a thing!

 I think faiths a little out of date with her idea of the availability of drugs. I keep benzodiazepines in stock...in  a double locked cabinet...every time one is used we have to log it....and account for its use with two signatures

[Lace]

As the parents have said that they believed the twins were drugged but didn’t seek professional help at the time that certainly raises suspicions that it was themselves who did it.

Kate says in her book she told the police her concerns.   How do you know the twins didn't roll over or change position in their cots,  a clear sign they were not sedated.   Fiona said they were fine,  why would she say that? IMO

[faithlilly]

Apparently Amaral's drug of choice was Calpol ... now there's a thing!

And neither you nor I believe it was the drug used....so there’s another thing.

[faithlilly]

Kate says in her book she told the police her concerns.   How do you know the twins didn't roll over or change position in their cots,  a clear sign they were not sedated.   Fiona said they were fine,  why would she say that? IMO

There is absolutely no witnesses to Kate raising her concerns with any police officer. Fiona, who was with her most of the night, didn’t mention it, Silvia Baptista, who would have to have translated her concerns, didn’t mention it, her husband, who I would have assumed she also told, didn’t mention it and not one police officer mentioned it in their statements. So apart from Kate retrospectively remembering this in her book, probably to answer the criticism levelled at her for obviously believing the twins had been sedated but getting no medical help, is there any witnesses at all to verify Kate’s claim ?

As to the twins rolling over, why do you think it would mean that they weren’t sedated ? Under sedation I tried to pull out the camera while having an endoscopy.

Lastly, of course Fiona said they were fine, she was talking months later.

[Mr Gray]

There is absolutely no witnesses to Kate raising her concerns with any police officer. Fiona, who was with her most of the night, didn’t mention it, Silvia Baptista, who would have to have translated her concerns, didn’t mention it, her husband, who I would have assumed she also told, didn’t mention it and not one police officer mentioned it in their statements. So apart from Kate retrospectively remembering this in her book, probably to answer the criticism levelled at her for obviously believing the twins had been sedated but getting no medical help, is there any witnesses at all to verify Kate’s claim ?

As to the twins rolling over, why do you think it would mean that they weren’t sedated ? Under sedation I tried to pull out the camera while having an endoscopy.

Lastly, of course Fiona said they were fine, she was talking months later.

The fact you tried to pull out  the endoscope shows you were perfectly safe and not over sedated

[faithlilly]

The fact you tried to pull out  the endoscope shows you were perfectly safe and not over sedated

But I was sedated and quite able to move, that is the point. No one is claiming that any of the children were over sedated.

[Mr Gray]

But I was sedated and quite able to move, that is the point. No one is claiming that any of the children were over sedated.

If they were not oversedated they were totally safe and in no need of any medical treatment...

[faithlilly]

If they were not oversedated they were totally safe and in no need of any medical treatment...

So Kate believed that her children had been sedated and that neither she nor her husband had sedated them and therefore she was perfectly fine with them appearing sedated.....is that what you are saying ?

[Miss Taken Identity]

There is absolutely no witnesses to Kate raising her concerns with any police officer. Fiona, who was with her most of the night, didn’t mention it, Silvia Baptista, who would have to have translated her concerns, didn’t mention it, her husband, who I would have assumed she also told, didn’t mention it and not one police officer mentioned it in their statements. So apart from Kate retrospectively remembering this in her book, probably to answer the criticism levelled at her for obviously believing the twins had been sedated but getting no medical help, is there any witnesses at all to verify Kate’s claim ?

As to the twins rolling over, why do you think it would mean that they weren’t sedated ? Under sedation I tried to pull out the camera while having an endoscopy.

Lastly, of course Fiona said they were fine, she was talking months later.

A lot of Kates unsubstanciated claims are unbelievable IMO. All the restrospective amendments make them sound even more fantastic.

[faithlilly]

A lot of Kates unsubstanciated claims are unbelievable IMO. All the restrospective amendments make them sound even more fantastic.

Indeed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is absolutely no witnesses to Kate raising her concerns with any police officer. Fiona, who was with her most of the night, didn’t mention it, Silvia Baptista, who would have to have translated her concerns, didn’t mention it, her husband, who I would have assumed she also told, didn’t mention it and not one police officer mentioned it in their statements. So apart from Kate retrospectively remembering this in her book, probably to answer the criticism levelled at her for obviously believing the twins had been sedated but getting no medical help, is there any witnesses at all to verify Kate’s claim ?

As to the twins rolling over, why do you think it would mean that they weren’t sedated ? Under sedation I tried to pull out the camera while having an endoscopy.

Lastly, of course Fiona said they were fine, she was talking months later.

If she never mentioned it at the time why do you think she felt the need to mention it at all, years later?

[Lace]

There is absolutely no witnesses to Kate raising her concerns with any police officer. Fiona, who was with her most of the night, didn’t mention it, Silvia Baptista, who would have to have translated her concerns, didn’t mention it, her husband, who I would have assumed she also told, didn’t mention it and not one police officer mentioned it in their statements. So apart from Kate retrospectively remembering this in her book, probably to answer the criticism levelled at her for obviously believing the twins had been sedated but getting no medical help, is there any witnesses at all to verify Kate’s claim ?

As to the twins rolling over, why do you think it would mean that they weren’t sedated ? Under sedation I tried to pull out the camera while having an endoscopy.

Lastly, of course Fiona said they were fine, she was talking months later.

Children are being sedated before having scans,  to prevent them from moving and messing up the pictures,  what would be the point of sedating them if they could move anyway?

https://www.gosh.nhs.uk/conditions-and-treatments/procedures-and-treatments/your-child-having-ct-scan-sedation

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm surprised KM did not have some understanding of the science of sleep where all the research shows stages 3 and 4 are difficult to wake from, more so for children.  Imo all of this is about selling it hard that MM was abducted which makes them feel less guilty than if MM woke and wandered. 

In the Bamber case 6 year old twin boys, who were sleeping in single beds a couple of feet apart, slept through the sound of repeated firearm discharge.  All the expert evidence shows they did not move and the toxicology tests did not reveal anything untoward. 

Strange as it might seem children can and do sleep through all sorts eg above, the children being carried and observed by JT and the Smith family.  I'm also thinking of GM carrying SM off the return flight to UK.  Most with experience of children will know this to be so.