Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Mr Gray]

Please provide your cite showing that the children's breathing rate and depth was checked.
Please provide your cite showing that the mother decided her children were in no danger.
Please provide your cites showing the recommended action in cases of suspected sedation of a child.

Kate put her hand on their backs and would have ... due to her training instinctively been aware of rate dapth and quality of breathing
The fact she took no action confirms none was necessary
Suspected sedation of a child
Main danger of OVER sedation is respiratory depression so check quality of breathing
Colour of lips
But Kate talks of sedation not over sedation so the recommended treatment is let them sleep it off
Sedation doesn't require treatment it is self limiting

[Mr Gray]

So these two doctors were able to determine by looking, if there were traces of foreign substances in their children's bloodstreams.

Now that is magic.

They were able to determine if there were harmful levels in the blood just by looking
Just as I can tell if someone is drunk just by looking

[G-Unit]

There were 2 qualified doctors in attendance. I'm sure if you were in the same position, the clinical judgement of 2 trained UK doctors would be of greater reassurance to you than that of a pair of foreign paramedics.

Really? Fiona Payne didn't mention assessing the state of the children. Neither UK doctor had the tools needed to monitor the children. Neither doctor knew what might have been administered or what danger it could have posed. Any opinion they offered was based on insufficient information.

The foreign doctors (not paramedics) had the right tools. They had access to blood samples. They had resuscitation equipment.

I would have chosen the foreign doctors without the slightest hesitation..

[Alfie]

From Fiona Payne's Rogtory

she (Kate) kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.

So, Fiona Payne was fully aware of the situation and yet she did not suggest that the twins needed urgent medical help.  Nor did the person asking the rogatory questions think to ask why medical assistance was not sought.  Why not on both counts?

[misty]

Really? Fiona Payne didn't mention assessing the state of the children. Neither UK doctor had the tools needed to monitor the children. Neither doctor knew what might have been administered or what danger it could have posed. Any opinion they offered was based on insufficient information.

The foreign doctors (not paramedics) had the right tools. They had access to blood samples. They had resuscitation equipment.

I would have chosen the foreign doctors without the slightest hesitation..

Do you actually think they could have got instant toxicology tests & results immediately upon arrival at Lagos hospital - based on a suspicion?

[Mr Gray]

Really? Fiona Payne didn't mention assessing the state of the children. Neither UK doctor had the tools needed to monitor the children. Neither doctor knew what might have been administered or what danger it could have posed. Any opinion they offered was based on insufficient information.

The foreign doctors (not paramedics) had the right tools. They had access to blood samples. They had resuscitation equipment.

I would have chosen the foreign doctors without the slightest hesitation..

Using tools to monitor Sedation is a relatively new practice introduced in our over the top health and safety combined with no win no fee lawyers
Previously sedation was monitored using no tools
Is it any safer
I doubt it

[Alfie]

Really? Fiona Payne didn't mention assessing the state of the children. Neither UK doctor had the tools needed to monitor the children. Neither doctor knew what might have been administered or what danger it could have posed. Any opinion they offered was based on insufficient information.

The foreign doctors (not paramedics) had the right tools. They had access to blood samples. They had resuscitation equipment.

I would have chosen the foreign doctors without the slightest hesitation..

Steady on!!  You're starting to sound like you believe the twins were sedated by a stranger!!

[Mr Gray]

The only value in any test would be in helping solve the case
For health reasons no tests were necessary

[Alfie]

So who here thinks Fiona Payne should be accused of medical malpractice, or worse?

[Robittybob1]

The only value in any test would be in helping solve the case
For health reasons no tests were necessary

Wouldn't the use of sedatives still point the finger back to the doctors, for who has better access to sedatives than trained anaesthetists?

[Alfie]

If I was a doctor who had sedated my beloved children and one of them died as a result and the other two were in a coma, and having already aroused the attention of the police,  I would have a choice - come clean and save the lives of my two remaining children, and suffer the consequences later, or do nothing, watch my other two children die or get very sick and suffer the inevitable consequences of my actions.  It's a no brainer really isnt it?

[G-Unit]

Kate put her hand on their backs and would have ... due to her training instinctively been aware of rate dapth and quality of breathing
The fact she took no action confirms none was necessary
Suspected sedation of a child
Main danger of OVER sedation is respiratory depression so check quality of breathing
Colour of lips
But Kate talks of sedation not over sedation so the recommended treatment is let them sleep it off
Sedation doesn't require treatment it is self limiting

Still no cites for your pronouncements I see, despite your acknowledgement that they are required.

Please provide a cite showing that doctors can 'instinctively' assess breathing rates and depths.
Please provide a cite showing that sedation doesn't deepen after examination.
Please provide a cite showing that the recommended treatment for sedation by an unqualified person of an unknown substance or dose is to let the patient 'sleep it off'.

[stephen25000]

Still no cites for your pronouncements I see, despite your acknowledgement that they are required.

Please provide a cite showing that doctors can 'instinctively' assess breathing rates and depths.
Please provide a cite showing that sedation doesn't deepen after examination.
Please provide a cite showing that the recommended treatment for sedation by an unqualified person of an unknown substance or dose is to let the patient 'sleep it off'.

You may well have a long, long wait for that.........

[Alfie]

Still no cites for your pronouncements I see, despite your acknowledgement that they are required.

Please provide a cite showing that doctors can 'instinctively' assess breathing rates and depths.
Please provide a cite showing that sedation doesn't deepen after examination.
Please provide a cite showing that the recommended treatment for sedation by an unqualified person of an unknown substance or dose is to let the patient 'sleep it off'.

Please provide some common sense to the discussion.  Kate and Fiona Payne are qualified medical practitioners.  They can tell when someone is in urgent need of medical attention, or do you dispute this?

[Mr Gray]

Still no cites for your pronouncements I see, despite your acknowledgement that they are required.

Please provide a cite showing that doctors can 'instinctively' assess breathing rates and depths.
Please provide a cite showing that sedation doesn't deepen after examination.
Please provide a cite showing that the recommended treatment for sedation by an unqualified person of an unknown substance or dose is to let the patient 'sleep it off'.

The cite is from an expert who has been administering sedation for 40 yrs
I'm not in the slightest bothered if you don't accept it
It is of no importance to anyone what you believe