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Offline Eleanor

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #180 on: December 31, 2016, 12:01:06 AM »

Well done, Misty, yet again.

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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #181 on: December 31, 2016, 12:08:12 AM »
Well you can't get it much clearer than that. Just 2 days after Kate is wanting the PJ to investigate  whether any substances were used.  OK she doesn't say check the twins but you can just about be clear that was the reason for her concern.  That concern would have been made know sooner that the statement was written on the 25th 04  2007 I hope.

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #182 on: December 31, 2016, 12:30:08 AM »
LOL - that shows what happened when the PJ files site collapsed a few months back!

Here's a link to the statement you are looking for:_

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

05-Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 9 - 10
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 Statement by: Stephen Markley

Occupation: Police Officer

This statement (composed of 2 pages and signed by me) is true and in accordance with my understanding.

Date: 25th April 2008
I am police officer Markley of the Leicestershire Police currently working in the criminal unit.

In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of family communication officer.

According to the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your various meetings that could raise any suspicion that they had any knowledge about what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?

My reply to the question was: No.

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
Thanks for this.

Let me see if I can sort the sheep from the goats.

The statement is dated 25 Apr 2008, about a year after Madeleine disappeared, and it appears to be in response to a Rebelo-team request.  This suggests to me the answers were not already in the PJ Files.

By 5 May 2007, the McCanns had at least two concerns.  There may well have been more - "a number of questions".

Both of the questions are phrased oddly in the statement.

Concern 1 was about the twins crying on Wednesday night.  Not Madeleine and one of the twins, but both twins.  More importantly, no mention of a potential intruder, just the crying.

Concern 2 was about the possible use of sedation.  So by 5 May 2007, Kate and Gerry were worried about sedation, but not enough to get the twins tested, and Gerry does not raise it on 10 May.  How jolly rum.

It's a pretty odd statement.  There is nothing about whether this liaison officer or any of the other officers at the meeting raised it with the PJ.  I wonder why that is not covered?

Is there any idea who these 'other officers' might be?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #184 on: December 31, 2016, 01:04:30 AM »
Here you go - my post, please point out which bits you consider "improbable events"?

As far as I see it - she was concerned that night (but not fearful of the twins imminent death), but had more pressing worries in the disappearance of her eldest child, and her concerns for the twins took a back seat to the other major issue by morning when they were fully conscious and behaving normally.

If she thought, as she did, that the twins may have been sedated and she knew, from her training, that the drug that may have been administered may slowly have been having catastrophic effects on the children's bodies so how could she not be fearful that it may be fatal? That she was lucky that they were hail and hearty in the morning does not negate the almost unfathomable decision she made the night before.

Further you say that she had more pressing worries but she found time to pray. Wouldn't that time have been more constructively used trying to seek medical attention for her babies ?

It's bit like saying I won't jump into the water and save my drowning child because I'm already worrying that my other child hasn't come home yet. It just doesn't make sense.


Just in case there is any doubt that Kate was afraid for the twins life this is what she wrote :

"I wandered into the children’s bedroom several times to check on Sean and Amelie. They were both lying on their fronts in a kind of crouch, with their heads turned sideways and their knees tucked under their tummies. In spite of the noise and lights and general pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred. They’d always been sound sleepers, but this seemed unnatural. Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. Had Madeleine been given some kind of sedative to keep her quiet? Had the twins, too? It was not until about 11.10pm that two policemen arrived from the nearest town, Lagos, about five miles away. To me they seemed bewildered and out of their depth, and I couldn’t shake the images of Tweedledum and Tweedledee out of my head. I realize how unfair this might sound, but with communication hampered by the language barrier and precious time passing, their presence did not fill me with confidence at all."
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?


Offline misty

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #186 on: December 31, 2016, 01:35:29 AM »
If she thought, as she did, that the twins may have been sedated and she knew, from her training, that the drug that may have been administered may slowly have been having catastrophic effects on the children's bodies so how could she not be fearful that it may be fatal? That she was lucky that they were hail and hearty in the morning does not negate the almost unfathomable decision she made the night before.

Further you say that she had more pressing worries but she found time to pray. Wouldn't that time have been more constructively used trying to seek medical attention for her babies ?

It's bit like saying I won't jump into the water and save my drowning child because I'm already worrying that my other child hasn't come home yet. It just doesn't make sense.


Just in case there is any doubt that Kate was afraid for the twins life this is what she wrote :

"I wandered into the children’s bedroom several times to check on Sean and Amelie. They were both lying on their fronts in a kind of crouch, with their heads turned sideways and their knees tucked under their tummies. In spite of the noise and lights and general pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred. They’d always been sound sleepers, but this seemed unnatural. Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. Had Madeleine been given some kind of sedative to keep her quiet? Had the twins, too? It was not until about 11.10pm that two policemen arrived from the nearest town, Lagos, about five miles away. To me they seemed bewildered and out of their depth, and I couldn’t shake the images of Tweedledum and Tweedledee out of my head. I realize how unfair this might sound, but with communication hampered by the language barrier and precious time passing, their presence did not fill me with confidence at all."

Alternatively, maybe she thought she would seem a bit of a drama queen rushing off with the twins so soon if Madeleine really had just wandered off, as nearly everyone else seemed to think

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #187 on: December 31, 2016, 01:53:38 AM »
Alternatively, maybe she thought she would seem a bit of a drama queen rushing off with the twins so soon if Madeleine really had just wandered off, as nearly everyone else seemed to think

So you think looking a bit silly trumps possible health implications for your children if you don't seek help?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #188 on: December 31, 2016, 02:07:49 AM »
So you think looking a bit silly trumps possible health implications for your children if you don't seek help?

I'm not sure how easy it is to rush into a Portuguese hospital & demand an immediate toxicology test when you have no idea what substance, if any, may have been administered to your child; do you?
The parents weren't exactly overwhelmed with police support in respect of the serious issue of their missing daughter - what hope in a foreign hospital if it's anything like the NHS?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #189 on: December 31, 2016, 03:11:42 AM »
I'm not sure how easy it is to rush into a Portuguese hospital & demand an immediate toxicology test when you have no idea what substance, if any, may have been administered to your child; do you?
The parents weren't exactly overwhelmed with police support in respect of the serious issue of their missing daughter - what hope in a foreign hospital if it's anything like the NHS?
Perhaps you can tell me what the situation is with flu in the UK at the moment.  And what the NHS is doing about it?

I received news tonight that there are 7 dead in the current flu epidemic in Portugal.  The facilities are stretched already in hospitals along the Algarve.  People are being urged to get flu vaccinations, because the epidemic is expected to peak over the next 15 days.  To cope with this, hospitals and medical centres are to open 7 days a week.  I think it is to be 24hrs per day, but I can't be sure of that.

I hope the medical staff on the Algarve had a good Christmas, because New Year is going to be bleak for them.

Just for the record, LuzDoc does a surprisingly wide range of blood tests.  Then Lagos has a specialist blood testing centre.  Next up the food chain is Portimão hospital.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #190 on: December 31, 2016, 03:30:03 AM »
I'm not sure how easy it is to rush into a Portuguese hospital & demand an immediate toxicology test when you have no idea what substance, if any, may have been administered to your child; do you?
The parents weren't exactly overwhelmed with police support in respect of the serious issue of their missing daughter - what hope in a foreign hospital if it's anything like the NHS?

There was no need for any immediate tests or treatment
Kate ascertained the twins were breathing normally
What qualifications do posters here have to question Kates medical decisions
Apart from being general know it alls
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #191 on: December 31, 2016, 05:30:32 AM »
So who's fault is it that there are no references to sedation?  It may not be the deponents but the PJ determining what is being recorded. - That was my point.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #192 on: December 31, 2016, 05:48:30 AM »
So who's fault is it that there are no references to sedation?  It may not be the deponents but the PJ determining what is being recorded. - That was my point.
I would classify that as a no.  Unless of course, you think the witnesses signed to the effect the statements were accurate, when in fact they thought they were not.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #193 on: December 31, 2016, 06:20:00 AM »
I would classify that as a no.  Unless of course, you think the witnesses signed to the effect the statements were accurate, when in fact they thought they were not.
I'm saying from the information we have  we can't tell how accurate they were.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #194 on: December 31, 2016, 06:49:33 AM »
I'm saying from the information we have  we can't tell how accurate they were.
They have signed for the statements as being accurate.  The deponents were willing to put pen to paper.  If the statements were inaccurate, the deponents have committed a civil or criminal breach of the law.
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