Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Robittybob1]

They have signed for the statements as being accurate.  The deponents were willing to put pen to paper.  If the statements were inaccurate, the deponents have committed a civil or criminal breach of the law.

But they aren't written by the deponent, so what is recorded is most likely correct, but I doubt if everything they said is recorded on their statements but they have already said it so there was nothing more to say.

[Mr Gray]

They have signed for the statements as being accurate.  The deponents were willing to put pen to paper.  If the statements were inaccurate, the deponents have committed a civil or criminal breach of the law.

Absolutely not

[Alfie]

If she thought, as she did, that the twins may have been sedated and she knew, from her training, that the drug that may have been administered may slowly have been having catastrophic effects on the children's bodies so how could she not be fearful that it may be fatal? That she was lucky that they were hail and hearty in the morning does not negate the almost unfathomable decision she made the night before.

Further you say that she had more pressing worries but she found time to pray. Wouldn't that time have been more constructively used trying to seek medical attention for her babies ?

It's bit like saying I won't jump into the water and save my drowning child because I'm already worrying that my other child hasn't come home yet. It just doesn't make sense.


Just in case there is any doubt that Kate was afraid for the twins life this is what she wrote :

"I wandered into the children’s bedroom several times to check on Sean and Amelie. They were both lying on their fronts in a kind of crouch, with their heads turned sideways and their knees tucked under their tummies. In spite of the noise and lights and general pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred. They’d always been sound sleepers, but this seemed unnatural. Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. Had Madeleine been given some kind of sedative to keep her quiet? Had the twins, too? It was not until about 11.10pm that two policemen arrived from the nearest town, Lagos, about five miles away. To me they seemed bewildered and out of their depth, and I couldn’t shake the images of Tweedledum and Tweedledee out of my head. I realize how unfair this might sound, but with communication hampered by the language barrier and precious time passing, their presence did not fill me with confidence at all."

You are in the business of telling people how they should and would have behaved in situations which you have never experienced and know nothing about.  It's jolly good sport being so judgemental but when your criticism is constantly and repeatedly directed at the same target over and over again for ten years, and that target is the mother of a child that has been taken, it really doesn't reflect very well on you IMO. 

[sadie]

Alternatively, maybe she thought she would seem a bit of a drama queen rushing off with the twins so soon if Madeleine really had just wandered off, as nearly everyone else seemed to think

Kate Mccann is a doctor.  Gerry Mccann is a senior doctor.

Several others in the group are senior doctors. 

THe twins were being monitored .... I dont believe that Kate and Gerry were worried that the twins might come to any harm



I think that they wanted the police aware ...
That the twins may have been drugged and Madeleine may have been drugged too

They had the situation with the twins under control, but would have liked the twins tested to help solve the case.

[ferryman]

Kate Mccann is a doctor.  Gerry Mccann is a senior doctor.

Several others in the group are senior doctors. 

THe twins were being monitored .... I dont believe that Kate and Gerry were worried that the twins might come to any harm



I think that they wanted the police aware ...
That the twins may have been drugged and Madeleine may have been drugged too

They had the situation with the twins under control, but would have liked the twins tested to help solve the case.

Yep.

The investigative imperative deliberately conflated, by some, with the medical imperative so as to push the agenda that the McCanns were somehow gambling with the lives or wellbeing of their children.

Dreadful ...

[misty]

Here's an example of the treatment dished out in Portugal to parents who were simply administering pain relief for their baby's teething issues.
 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/maddie-mccann-police-took-our-baby-because-we-gave-her-calpol-belfast-couples-portugal-holiday-hell-30375896.html

Was this experience down to the Madeleine effect, thus proving the extent of the effect of insinuations made against Madeleine's parents re. Calpol or procedures already endemic in the Portuguese law/health services?

[ShiningInLuz]

Here's an example of the treatment dished out in Portugal to parents who were simply administering pain relief for their baby's teething issues.
 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/maddie-mccann-police-took-our-baby-because-we-gave-her-calpol-belfast-couples-portugal-holiday-hell-30375896.html

Was this experience down to the Madeleine effect, thus proving the extent of the effect of insinuations made against Madeleine's parents re. Calpol or procedures already endemic in the Portuguese law/health services?

I am truly disappointed with you, Misty, but I'm going to leave the link in.

This has been discussed on the forum before.

The couple got drunk and had an argument in the hotel room.  The father stormed off taking the baby with him.  The mother got onto reception screaming abduction, and that she wanted the police.  The hotel called the police and they duly turned up at the hotel.

In the meantime, the father had been in the hotel bar for more drink, then returned to his room, which was on the first floor.

The couple restarted their argument, leaving the baby unattended on the balcony.  That's how it was when the police turned up at their room.  Their assessment of the situation was that the baby was in danger so they took the child for a medical check-up accompanied by the mother.  The father returned to the hotel bar for more drink.

The "threw baby from 8th floor into pool" and "took €875 from wallet" allegations are in the same class as "body hidden in coffin destined for cremation". Swallow those if you will.

We have a long thread since the last discussion of this incident that established, amongst other things, that Calpol24 was legal and on sale in Portugal, so hauling someone up for using Calpol is highly unlikely, to put it mildly.

This link is NOT an example of either policing in the Algarve or medical practice in the Algarve.  It is about two people who got drunk, abused the system, and neglected a baby.

[Alfie]

Can anyone think of a reason why' if Madeleine was abducted Kate McCann would pretend she raised the issue of sedation on the night her child was taken?   &%+((£

[Robittybob1]

Can anyone think of a reason why' if Madeleine was abducted Kate McCann would pretend she raised the issue of sedation on the night her child was taken?   &%+((£

It has convinced me she is innocent.  But when you think whether a test result would clear her the answer seems No.  For no matter what the result was Kate and Gerry would have better access to those substances, more so than the average person.  So does that mean a positive test result would become self incriminating and hence if tested Kate would have to be made an arguido from the start.
A negative test result would not be that much better.

[ShiningInLuz]

Can anyone think of a reason why' if Madeleine was abducted Kate McCann would pretend she raised the issue of sedation on the night her child was taken?   &%+((£

Raised the issue with whom?

We have a statement from the FLOs that the McCanns queried sedation at a meeting after they arrived on the 4th.

Where is the evidence it was raised either on the night of the 3rd or the early hours of the 4th?

[jassi]

It has convinced me she is innocent.  But when you think whether a test result would clear her the answer seems No.  For no matter what the result was Kate and Gerry would have better access to those substances, more so than the average person.  So does that mean a positive test result would become self incriminating and hence if tested Kate would have to be made an arguido from the start.
A negative test result would not be that much better.

Perhaps that's the answer to Alfie's question - to persuade you and others of her innocence 

[Alfie]

Perhaps that's the answer to Alfie's question - to persuade you and others of her innocence 

How does it do that?  Please remember most people are not Robbity.

[Robittybob1]

Perhaps that's the answer to Alfie's question - to persuade you and others of her innocence 

But that is normal too isn't it.  A normal person would want to proclaim their innocence.

How does it do that?  Please remember most people are not Robbity.

I have always thought Kate was innocent but insisting on drug testing the twins seemed to confirm her innocence to me.

[Alfie]

But that is normal too isn't it.  A normal person would want to proclaim their innocence.I have always thought Kate was innocent but insisting on drug testing the twins seemed to confirm her innocence to me.

I don't think you read my question properly.  Try again.

[misty]

I am truly disappointed with you, Misty, but I'm going to leave the link in.

This has been discussed on the forum before.

The couple got drunk and had an argument in the hotel room.  The father stormed off taking the baby with him.  The mother got onto reception screaming abduction, and that she wanted the police.  The hotel called the police and they duly turned up at the hotel.

In the meantime, the father had been in the hotel bar for more drink, then returned to his room, which was on the first floor.

The couple restarted their argument, leaving the baby unattended on the balcony.  That's how it was when the police turned up at their room.  Their assessment of the situation was that the baby was in danger so they took the child for a medical check-up accompanied by the mother.  The father returned to the hotel bar for more drink.

The "threw baby from 8th floor into pool" and "took €875 from wallet" allegations are in the same class as "body hidden in coffin destined for cremation". Swallow those if you will.

We have a long thread since the last discussion of this incident that established, amongst other things, that Calpol24 was legal and on sale in Portugal, so hauling someone up for using Calpol is highly unlikely, to put it mildly.

This link is NOT an example of either policing in the Algarve or medical practice in the Algarve.  It is about two people who got drunk, abused the system, and neglected a baby.

In the context of whether or not the McCanns expressed their concerns to the police about the possibility of sedation during the period of their "neglect", can you explain why, in the circumstances, the PJ deemed it necessary to carry out a drug test on the Irish family's baby yet not on the twins?