Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Angelo222]

Early on, the Police were convinced by the McCann's narrative and as doctors will have probably have given them a deference which in retrospect got in the way of a proper investigation.

Had they been a couple of beach bums I do believe the outcome would have been more profound for them as the worlds media wouldn't have been invited to interfere.

[stephen25000]

Percentages? 

Are you aware of the prosecutor's fallacy?

Are you living in the real world ?

Have you forgotten who told the PJ to investigate the Mccanns ?

[Robittybob1]

Had they been a couple of beach bums I do believe the outcome would have been more profound for them as the worlds media wouldn't have been invited to interfere.

What that would have produced more evidence? 

[ferryman]

Had they been a couple of beach bums I do believe the outcome would have been more serious for them.

Beach bums or people from a council-estate!

You may, well, be right.

But if you are, what does that say?

That people from more affluent backgrounds get away with things people from less affluent backgrounds don't?

Or that wealthier people unjustly accused are more likely to be able to gain access to the sort of legal representation that ought to be available to everyone unjustly accused, that finds him/herself in the McCanns' position?

I tend to the second view.

[Robittybob1]

Percentages? 

Are you aware of the prosecutor's fallacy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor's_fallacy
The prosecutor's fallacy is a fallacy of statistical reasoning, typically used by the prosecution to argue for the guilt of a defendant during a criminal trial. Although it is named after prosecutors it is not specific to them, and some variants of the fallacy can be utilized by defense lawyers arguing for the innocence of their client. At its heart, the fallacy involves assuming that the prior probability of a random match is equal to the probability that the defendant is innocent. For instance, if a perpetrator is known to have the same blood type as a defendant and 10% of the population share that blood type, then to argue on that basis alone that the probability of the defendant being guilty is 90% makes the prosecutor's fallacy (in a very simple form).

[jassi]

Beach bums or people from a council-estate!

You may, well, be right.

But if you are, what does that say?

That people from more affluent backgrounds get away with things people from less affluent backgrounds don't?

Or that wealthier people unjustly accused are more likely to be able to gain access to the sort of legal representation that ought to be available to everyone unjustly accused, that finds him/herself in the McCanns' position?

I tend to the second view.

First sentence says it all really. It doesn't need your second somewhat  biased sentence

[ferryman]

First sentence says it all really. It doesn't need your second somewhat  biased sentence

Two words: Conrad Black, former proprietor of the Daily Telegraph national newspaper:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/business/13cnd-black.html

[misty]

It shows that, in the McCann case
a) possibly the police had no training in dealing with children who may have been sedated (their stillness noted by 2 GNR officers)
b) possibly the police ignored the situation despite their training.

[faithlilly]

It shows that, in the McCann case
a) possibly the police had no training in dealing with children who may have been sedated (their stillness noted by 2 GNR officers)
b) possibly the police ignored the situation despite their training.

But correct me if I am wrong but weren't the PJ in the case you have posted proactive in having the child checked out in case it had been sedated? Further Silvia Batiste recollections were untarnished by panic so why didn't she mention that she had translated Kate's concerns to the PJ and note that nothing was done? Do you think if she had any inkling  that the twins may have been in danger she would not have made sure Kate's concerns were taken seriously by the police officers present?

[Robittybob1]

But correct me if I am wrong but weren't the PJ in the case you have posted proactive in having the child checked out in case it had been sedated? Further Silvia Batiste recollections were untarnished by panic so why didn't she mention that she had translated Kate's concerns to the PJ and note that nothing was done? Do you think if she had any inkling  that the twins may have been in danger she would not have made sure Kate's concerns were taken seriously by the police officers present?

Those very questions you ask about Silvia are the very clues that make me wonder how much the conflict of interest affected her behaviour.

[Robittybob1]

And that's the point. We know from her own writings that she was concerned that the twins had been sedated. Why try to alert the PJ to the fact if she did not believe they were in danger?

I really think she was assisting the PJ with their investigation, for whatever drug being used would assist some other clue in the future.  Where would they access such material.
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[John]

So she brought it up with at least one member of the PJ, whose statement(s) contradict this?

Just catching up on some old comments so apologies if this has already been posted.

GNR police officer Jose Roque along with a colleague were the first police officers to enter the apartment and observe the scene. He commented in his third statement (made 17 Oct 2007) on the fact that the twins never roused.


He says there were two children in cots placed in Madeleine's room in a transversal position to the beds. The children never woke up, were in a ventral position, they did not even move during or after the search.


He found the parents to be nervous and anxious, he did not see any tears from either of them although they produced noises identical to crying. He did not feel that this was an abduction, although this was the line indicated by the father.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

[John]

Reading through all the comments on this thread and referencing the fact that on the two nights prior to Madeleine's disappearance children were heard crying sorely and for an extended period. It is curious then that on the very night that Madeleine disappeared there wasn't a sound from the apartment and the twins were noted by several observers to be unusually unresponsive?

[jassi]

It is also curious that none of the other kids were apparently kicking up on these nights, only the McCann ones. Were they being cared for differently ?

[misty]

Reading through all the comments on this thread and referencing the fact that on the two nights prior to Madeleine's disappearance children were heard crying sorely and for an extended period. It is curious then that on the very night that Madeleine disappeared there wasn't a sound from the apartment and the twins were noted by several observers to be unusually unresponsive?

The people who allegedly heard the 2 extended periods of crying never told the parents......so how were the parents to know? Madeleine only made one brief comment about crying.