Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Robittybob1]

Tell me Alfie when looking at the way a patient's heart is performing does Gerry a) hook them up to complicated machines and interpret the resulting read outs or b) give them a cuddle and gauge their heart health from that?

Alfie - I'd think it would depend on whether a machine is available or not.

[sadie]

Tell me Alfie when looking at the way a patient's heart is performing does Gerry a) hook them up to complicated machines and interpret the resulting read outs or b) give them a cuddle and gauge their heart health from that?

Gerry will know the vital signs of heart problems without machines

Kate will know the vital signs of serious drugging without machines

[Alice Purjorick]

Gerry will know the vital signs of heart problems without machines

Kate will know the vital signs of serious drugging without machines

How clever.

[carlymichelle]

How clever.

   sadie must think the mcanns are  god

[Alice Purjorick]

  sadie must think the mcanns are  god

Maybe they can walk on water.
Me ? I am lower class and can only pass water.

[faithlilly]

Whatever the McCanns did or didn't say to the police on the night of 3rd May, it would have been entirely in the PJ's best investigative interest to determine
 a)if the twins had been sedated &
 b)if so, the type of drug used.

Had any test results borne relation to any of the medication found in 5a, then they could be used in evidence against the parents. Otherwise........very poor policework.

I don't disagree the police should have taken more notice of the twins unresponsive state and acted according. However it doesn't excuse the McCanns believing their children had been sedated and doing absolutely nothing.

[misty]

Maybe they can walk on water.
Me ? I am lower class and can only pass water.

If you couldn't you'd need the help of a "God".

[G-Unit]

Gerry will know the vital signs of heart problems without machines

Kate will know the vital signs of serious drugging without machines

I know a bit about cardiology having spent the last six months visiting cardiologists with my husband. There are symptoms which could indicate heart problems, but they have to be investigated further to confirm what is going on. The further investigations involve machines; x rays, blood pressure, heart rate and then it gets very complicated with scans and other procedures. As far as I know it's impossible for any doctor to check vital signs without at least some equipment, that's just nonsense.

If sedation is suspected there is a very simple first test. The person concerned must be roused. That simple test was not applied. Had it been and the twins wouldn't respond then other tests would have been required to discover the level of unconsciousness. None of them include feeling backs for breathing or sticking your fingers under noses to feel for breath.

The equipment needed to check vital signs is a thermometer, a sphygmomanometer, and a watch. Though a pulse can be taken by hand, a stethoscope may be required for a patient with a very weak pulse. There is no evidence that any of the twin's vital signs were checked.

[carlymichelle]

i have a  high pulserate which is normal for me and my  dr  is aware of it   but   a  stranger  wouldnt be  aware of  it would they??

[stephen25000]

i have a  high pulserate which is normal for me and my  dr  is aware of it   but   a  stranger  wouldnt be  aware of  it would they??

Of course they wouldn't.

They would need to have your medical history as a reference.

It would seem that some of the Mccann's supporters are completely unaware of this.

[Robittybob1]

How clever.

They are that is why they can become doctors in the first place.

[Robittybob1]

  sadie must think the mcanns are  god

Now you are making things up!

[stephen25000]

They are that is why they can become doctors in the first place.

Did the Mccann's have a Tricorder ?

[Robittybob1]

I don't disagree the police should have taken more notice of the twins unresponsive state and acted according. However it doesn't excuse the McCanns believing their children had been sedated and doing absolutely nothing.

Maybe they did enough and once they got through the crisis they asked "if there was any evidence the twins had been sedated?".  Obviously the answer to that was "no"  - unsaid by the PJ "because we aren't going to look".  Part of this "not being told what to do attitude", I'd suspect.

Did the Mccann's have a Tricorder ?

Never heard of them sorry I'll have to resort to Google.
"In the fictional Star Trek universe, a tricorder is a multifunction hand-held device used for sensor scanning, data analysis, and recording data."  I'm in the real world Stephen but it would have come in handy.

[misty]

I don't disagree the police should have taken more notice of the twins unresponsive state and acted according. However it doesn't excuse the McCanns believing their children had been sedated and doing absolutely nothing.

There's a world of difference between suspecting & believing.
The choice was stark. Leave the scene of your eldest child's disappearance or take your other children for a barrage of tests & remain with them. What would you have done?