Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[jassi]

I think another point worth mentioning is that Kate's book will doubtless have been read by hundreds, even thousands, in the medical profession, at least a very high proportion of whom will know the ins-and-outs of sedation, actual or suspected, what to look for and what (appropriate) action to take in this, or, that, scenario.

Not a murmur of protest from any of them.

Odd, that.

Or maybe not so odd ....

You jest, of course   

[Alfie]

You jest, of course   

There are approximately 200,000 medical staff in the UK, so even if only 1% read Kate's best selling book that is still thousands.
NB - that figure doesn't include the 300,000 employed as nurses in the UK.

In 2015, across Hospital and Community Healthcare Services (HCHS) and GP practices, the NHS employed 149,808 doctors, 314,966 qualified nursing staff and health visitors (HCHS), 25,418 midwives, 23,066 GP practice nurses, 146,792 qualified scientific, therapeutic and technical staff, 18,862 qualified ambulance staff and 30,952 managers.

That's actually over 700,000 people in the UK employed in a healthcare capacity - let's estimate only 0.5% have read the book - that's still thousands!

[G-Unit]

An experienced doctor is able to judge whether the pulse rate, temperature and breathing of a patient is normal without any equipment at all, do you not agree?

I definitely do not agree. That's utter nonsense.

[G-Unit]

By placing her hand on someone's chest you can tell a lot more than if they are breathing or not

Would you care to share what a doctor can deduce from placing a hand on a patient's back?

[Mr Gray]

Would you care to share what a doctor can deduce from placing a hand on a patient's back?

Rate of breathing
Depth of breathing
Quality of breathing

[Mr Gray]

I definitely do not agree. That's utter nonsense.

Alf is absolutely right

[Alice Purjorick]

If I may intrude here - SB was responsible for the people who had access to the apartments & vitally, who had access to the apartment keys on behalf of OC. Is that a conflict of interest?

Conflict of interest:
a situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official capacity.

Taking that as a definition it is difficult to see how a conflict of interest existed between her employment as Head of Maintenance and Janitorial Services with OC and providing a service as an interpreter, the disappearance of a child from a building outside the OC compound limits notwithstanding. One would need to look at some contractual relationships together with the full extent of Sr Batista's duties, that is her full job description and terms of employment, in order to gain a full appreciation. I doubt we will lay our hands on any of that.
I do not think it appropriate, apart from potentially being libelous, to speculate about what personal benefit she may have derived in order to satisfy a conflict of interest.

[G-Unit]

Rate of breathing
Depth of breathing
Quality of breathing

To check the rate of breathing breaths need to be timed, because sedatives slow the breathing and heart rates and lower blood pressure. The only test reported is checking for breathing, not the rate of breathing. The heart rate and blood pressure weren't checked either. All three could have slowed between checks leading to unconsciousness. All Kate knew was that they were breathing, which could have slowed or even stopped at any moment if a sedative had been administered.

[carlymichelle]

To check the rate of breathing breaths need to be timed, because sedatives slow the breathing and heart rates and lower blood pressure. The only test reported is checking for breathing, not the rate of breathing. The heart rate and blood pressure weren't checked either. All three could have slowed between checks leading to unconsciousness. All Kate knew was that they were breathing, which could have slowed or even stopped at any moment if a sedative had been administered.

in kates book the day  maddie vanished she noticed that maddie  was  tired and pale? at bed time yet they still went out

[slartibartfast]

I don't think anyone understands the question.  I don't.

Simple question.

Maybe someone on here knows what level of discussion took place on the internet about the twins deep sleep, between Madeleine's disappearance and the release of Kate's book ?

[Alfie]

I definitely do not agree. That's utter nonsense.

Oh dear, we'll have to agree to disagree then.

[Alfie]

Simple question.

Maybe someone on here knows what level of discussion took place on the internet about the twins deep sleep, between Madeleine's disappearance and the release of Kate's book ?

What do you mean by "level of discussion"?  How do we measure the level?  How do you expect anyone to answer this question with any "level" of accuracy?  What is the point of this question anyway?

[Alfie]

How to measure blood pressure without "complicated machines"
http://bpmonitoradvisor.com/how-to-check-blood-pressure-without-equipment/
How to take a pulse without "complicated machines"
"Measure your heart rate by placing two fingers gently against your wrist (don't use your thumb). If it is hard to feel the pulse in your wrist, find the artery in your neck that is just to either side of the windpipe. Press gently. Count the beats for 15 seconds."
How to check temperature without "complicated machines"

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Fever-Without-a-Thermometer

How to check respiratory rate without "complicated machines"
http://healthcaresciencesocw.wayne.edu/vs/5_2.htm

[misty]

To check the rate of breathing breaths need to be timed, because sedatives slow the breathing and heart rates and lower blood pressure. The only test reported is checking for breathing, not the rate of breathing. The heart rate and blood pressure weren't checked either. All three could have slowed between checks leading to unconsciousness. All Kate knew was that they were breathing, which could have slowed or even stopped at any moment if a sedative had been administered.

Fiona Payne had been an anaesthetist for 10 years when Madeleine disappeared. Do you question her judgement of the twins' condition?

[Alfie]

Fiona Payne had been an anaesthetist for 10 years when Madeleine disappeared. Do you question her judgement of the twins' condition?

Obviously without "complicated machines" her experience and judgement are all but useless in such situations!