Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[ShiningInLuz]

To be absolutely accurate, the words to help her sleep were added in parenthesis by the reporter in a quote attributed by the reporter to Mr Healy. 

I think it entirely fair to surmise that Mr Healy merely confirmed what Kate and Gerry had, themselves, already acknowledged, that they occasionally used calpol with the children.

Thank you.

I am trying to get at a a date for when this hoo-ha surfaced.  Presumably Kate and Gerry did not volunteer such information to the media, or did they?  Was possible sedation being discussed even earlier?  In which case it would make sense for the McCanns to talk about the children's medicine.

And for the record 'to help her sleep' is a totally innocent comment, IMO.

[Alfie]

You seriously believe that 'feeling their backs' is the same as 'checking their vital signs'? You seriously believe she wouldn't have used the correct terminology in her book? You seriously think she wouldn't have told anyone if she gave the police that important information and it didn't appear in her statements?

It doesn't matter if you do believe all that anyway, because you have no evidence whatsoever to support your beliefs.

Do you seriously believe Kate McCann was prepared to let her twins die in her arms that night?

[sadie]

The person signing the statement is responsible for it's accuracy.  Therefore if anything significant was left out, it is their call.

Nobody is saying that the statement isn't accurate, as far as it goes.  Although there is room for inaccuracies and ommisions with translations and third party statements

But interviews of 15 hours producing so little in statements, proves that not everything was mentioned

[sadie]

Thank you.

I am trying to get at a a date for when this hoo-ha surfaced.  Presumably Kate and Gerry did not volunteer such information to the media, or did they?  Was possible sedation being discussed even earlier?  In which case it would make sense for the McCanns to talk about the children's medicine.

And for the record 'to help her sleep' is a totally innocent comment, IMO.

Calpol is NOT a sedative.  It is a medication to take pain away.   Once the pain is masked the child falls off to sleep.


I feel sure that, you, SIL must know this already.


I repeat, the Clapol available at that time is NOT a sedative.

[ferryman]

Calpol is NOT a sedative.  It is a medication to take pain away.   Once the pain is masked the child falls off to sleep.


I feel sure that, you, SIL must know this already.


I repeat, the Clapol available at that time is NOT a sedative.

What I embolden in the quote from Sadie, I have no doubt, is where the misconception of calpol as a 'sedative' comes from.

I think Amaral should be made to answer for the gratuitous reference in his book to calpol night!

[Alfie]

You know, if I had just hidden my kid's body and the place was swarming with police I would relish any opportunity to get the hell out of the situation, so a trip to the nearest hospital with my other kids would have been just the ticket to buy me some time and deflect attention away from myself for a while. 

[G-Unit]

Do you seriously believe Kate McCann was prepared to let her twins die in her arms that night?

I have no idea what she was prepared to do, but if she really feared that an unknown dose of an unknown sedative had been administered by a criminal it's hard to understand why she restricted her checks to wandering into their bedroom several times and feeling their backs as she reports.

[Alfie]

I have no idea what she was prepared to do, but if she really feared that an unknown dose of an unknown sedative had been administered by a criminal it's hard to understand why she restricted her checks to wandering into their bedroom several times and feeling their backs as she reports.

You don't believe that happened though do you?

[Alfie]

I have no idea what she was prepared to do, but if she really feared that an unknown dose of an unknown sedative had been administered by a criminal it's hard to understand why she restricted her checks to wandering into their bedroom several times and feeling their backs as she reports.

Did she not mention cuddling one of the twins while FP cuddled the other?  I know you think the idea that cuddling her children in the circumstances is hysterically funny, but it does indicate that her concern was expressed by more than wandering in an out of a bedroom a few times.

[Alfie]

Groundhog Day
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2035.0

[Alfie]

Slartibart wanted to know about the level of internet interest in the sedation issue.  I have no idea if this answers the question, but it comes from a Guardian article from 2007 which is still online and which has not been sued for libel so PLEASE DO NOT DELETE - THE ARTICLE IS NOT LIBELLOUS WHEN THE EXCERPT BELOW IS READ IN CONTEXT!!!!

 "The McCanns had sedated their children so that they could have an undisturbed dinner with friends (hence the failure of the two younger McCann children to awake even during the loud chaos of the night of May 3). They returned to find Madeleine dead. Fearing their twins would be taken from them if they confessed the truth, they hid Madeleine's body, then hid it again in the spare wheel compartment of their rented car until finally burying it somewhere else"  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/sep/12/comment.ukcrime

[ShiningInLuz]

Nobody is saying that the statement isn't accurate, as far as it goes.  Although there is room for inaccuracies and ommisions with translations and third party statements

But interviews of 15 hours producing so little in statements, proves that not everything was mentioned

Kate attended interviews on 3 separate days.

I have no idea whether the 15 hours is accurate or not, so perhaps anyone relying on that should verify it.

The interview process is known, and it is obviously very slow.  So I do not find 15 hours to be out of keeping with what we know.

What you are implying is libel.  You are libelling Kate in that she supposedly failed to ensure this key piece of evidence was included in her statement(s) when she signed to confirm they were accurate.  You are libelling the PJ officers who allegedly failed to incorporate this key piece of information in Kate's statements.  You are libelling the translator, who either failed to pass this key information on in the first place, or forget it had been mentioned when reading the statement back.

The responsibility to confirm the veracity of the statements was Kate's.

Unless you have evidence that this was raised in one of the interviews, and none has been forthcoming so far, you are above all libelling Kate.

Any further non-evidenced posts to such effect are going to be removed.

And I'm willing to bet that when the senior moderators review this debate, a great deal of this discussion will disappear on the grounds that it is libellous.

[jassi]

Just as long as it is contained within the permitted limits.

[ShiningInLuz]

Calpol is NOT a sedative.  It is a medication to take pain away.   Once the pain is masked the child falls off to sleep.


I feel sure that, you, SIL must know this already.


I repeat, the Calpol available at that time is NOT a sedative.

That is not the point I was asking about.  We did that to death on the Calpol thread.

I am asking when this story (McCanns mentioning Calpol) first surfaced.  Start.  End.

[Robittybob1]

That is not the point I was asking about.  We did that to death on the Calpol thread.

I am asking when this story (McCanns mentioning Calpol) first surfaced.  Start.  End.

I did the internet search at the beginning of the thread.  It started with a comment said by Brian Healey to Ricardo Paiva FLO.