Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Alfie]

So now we know that if the McCanns had rushed the twins to hospital that night and were found to have been sedated that it would have been a double bluff to put the police off the scent.  The fact that they didn't do this shows that they had obviously sedated their kids and didn't want to be found out but the fact that they did mention it to the FLO two days later shows them double bluffing again,  Simples innit. *&*%£

Can anyone clarify what the McCanns could have done in this regard that would make the doubters any less suspicious because from what I can gather the answer is sweet FA!

[faithlilly]

So now we know that if the McCanns had rushed the twins to hospital that night and were found to have been sedated that it would have been a double bluff to put the police off the scent.  The fact that they didn't do this shows that they had obviously sedated their kids and didn't want to be found out but the fact that they did mention it to the FLO two days later shows them double bluffing again,  Simples innit. *&*%£

Can anyone clarify what the McCanns could have done in this regard that would make the doubters any less suspicious because from what I can gather the answer is sweet FA!

But they didn't rush to the hospital and therein lies the rub.

[G-Unit]

Why would she have to do that?

She wouldn't. I expect she knew it was hard to explain.

[Alfie]

But they didn't rush to the hospital and therein lies the rub.

And if they'd rushed to hospital you'd think them completely innocent of sedating their kids?

[Alfie]

She wouldn't. I expect she knew it was hard to explain.

She doesn't have to explain how her children may have been sedated, unless of course you're suggesting she actually knew they had been, which of course you're not are you?  Heaven forfend!

[G-Unit]

The investigation makes the claim she only alerts to it at a time (in July) she knows that the drugs can't be detected any longer.  But we proved the McCanns made noises about it much earlier than this (on the 5th of May 2007), but it appears the investigation into drug use was something of the order of just looking for syringes or empty pill bottles at the scene of the crime.  No blood tests on the twins was carried out for without a clue as to what drug was used the testing they would have had to cover hundreds of potential substances.

The 'noises' were made to the FLO's and related only to Madeleine, so why would anyone think to test the twins?

[Alfie]

The 'noises' were made to the FLO's and related only to Madeleine, so why would anyone think to test the twins?

Are you serious?  Why in God's name wouldn't the police think to test the twins?  Their heavy sleep was even noted by a GNR officer in his statement. 

[sadie]

The 'noises' were made to the FLO's and related only to Madeleine, so why would anyone think to test the twins?

Do you think that the FLO have no brains at all?

[sadie]

Do you think that the FLO have no brains at all?

Nah, that's not it.  Also, two GNR Officers pointedly noted in their statements about how still the twins were despite the noise.

Must be someone who read their statements that had no brains  .. or someone who didn't want the twins tested for some reason.

Why could that be?

[Alfie]

In my opinion (conjecture here, remember I am not the McCanns so this could be completely wrong, and don't start ascribing my thoughts to them) the McCanns may have thought that their children had been gassed as stories of holiday makers being gassed and robbed on the continent have been doing the rounds for many years.  Before you all jump down my throat I know these stories are considered by many to be a load of hogwash but it still doesn't take away from the fact that such occurrences have been widely reported in the media.  So it is possible that this was a thought going through Kate's panicked mind at the time.  Personally I think it's an unlikely scenario, and I also think it's unlikely the children were sedated.

[G-Unit]

And that is one of the main reasons why the window was open IMO

To shine some light in and to pass the chloroform pad in.  Chloroform has a horrid smell from memory when I was given it, but IIRC the smell soon dissipates

So how was she kept unconscious? Continuous application is required as is supporting the chin so the person doesn't swallow their tongue. One applying, one carrying, one supporting the chin. They were quite a crowd trotting down the street.

After a person has lost consciousness due to chloroform inhalation, a continuous volume must be administered and the chin must be supported in order to keep the tongue from obstructing the airway, a difficult procedure even for an anesthesiologist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroform#Criminal_use

[misty]

In my opinion (conjecture here, remember I am not the McCanns so this could be completely wrong, and don't start ascribing my thoughts to them) the McCanns may have thought that their children had been gassed as stories of holiday makers being gassed and robbed on the continent have been doing the rounds for many years.  Before you all jump down my throat I know these stories are considered by many to be a load of hogwash but it still doesn't take away from the fact that such occurrences have been widely reported in the media.  So it is possible that this was a thought going through Kate's panicked mind at the time.  Personally I think it's an unlikely scenario, and I also think it's unlikely the children were sedated.

It does make you wonder when the criminals can still get away with gassing people in their sleep....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/158719/f1-jenson-gassed-in-300k-robbery/

[Alice Purjorick]

In my opinion (conjecture here, remember I am not the McCanns so this could be completely wrong, and don't start ascribing my thoughts to them) the McCanns may have thought that their children had been gassed as stories of holiday makers being gassed and robbed on the continent have been doing the rounds for many years.  Before you all jump down my throat I know these stories are considered by many to be a load of hogwash but it still doesn't take away from the fact that such occurrences have been widely reported in the media.  So it is possible that this was a thought going through Kate's panicked mind at the time.  Personally I think it's an unlikely scenario, and I also think it's unlikely the children were sedated.

So you think Dr K McCann's fears were ill founded despite her training and practice?

[Alice Purjorick]

It does make you wonder when the criminals can still get away with gassing people in their sleep....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/158719/f1-jenson-gassed-in-300k-robbery/

This one was done to death quite a while ago.
The logistics are interesting to say the least. Arthur Bishop would have loved it I am sure.

[Alice Purjorick]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33821661

In response to the Home Office warning, the Royal College of Anaesthetists (RCA) released a statement saying it was highly sceptical about robbers using anaesthetic gas.

"It is the view of the College that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious by blowing ether chloroform, or any of the currently used volatile anaesthetic agents, through the window of a motorhome without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time," the statement said.

And as for using it on an entire villa? More likely an urban - or Riviera - myth, according to the RCA.

"They would need massive amounts of gas," says a spokesman. "We can't rule out that some sort of agent was used, but the volume of gas and the logistics involved in delivering it make it highly unlikely that this was anaesthetic.

"You have to remember, we're talking about rendering four adults unconscious in a large villa.

"When you combine that with the fact that these gases are expensive and difficult to get hold of, we are very sceptical."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11789709/Unlikely-that-sleeping-gas-was-used-in-Jenson-Button-robbery-experts-say.html