Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[sadie]

I have no idea what the purpose of your question is. The FLO's were asked if the PJ had any evidence to suggest Madeleine had been sedated. If they asked the PJ that question the answer would have been 'No', because they didn't. End of subject.

And that is because they didn't bother to check the twins. 

[Robittybob1]

And that is because they didn't bother to check the twins.

Exactly how I look at it too Sadie.

[sadie]

Then perhaps you can tell me how lYO the twins were gassed in the couple of minutes between Gerry leaving the apartment and the appearance of Tannerman?

No gas with the twins nor Madeleine IMO

Something added to their hot chocolate / ovaltine at tea-time which made them very sleepy.   THen when the lifter / abductor entered, Madeleine may have had a chloroform pad put over her face followed by an injection of some drug or other.   

Marilyn on a previous forum that I was on thought that a tazer gun was used on Madeleine ?  Dunno

But one of the reasons that the window was open IMO was to pass sedation stuff thru to the lifter

[John]

So they tested blood and tissue samples of madeleine's siblings ?

As I said, there was no excuse for either of the Mccann's or the Police not having tests done.

You never know, it might have helped solve the case.

I agree with your last comment.  Had they been tested and found to have been interfered with then we would now at least be looking for an abductor.  As it is all possibilities are still wide open even now ten years on.

[John]

No gas with the twins nor Madeleine IMO

Something added to their hot chocolate / ovaltine at tea-time which made them very sleepy.   THen when the lifter / abductor entered, Madeleine may have had a chloroform pad put over her face followed by an injection of some drug or other.   

Marilyn on a previous forum that I was on thought that a tazer gun was used on Madeleine ?  Dunno

But one of the reasons that the window was open IMO was to pass sedation stuff thru to the lifter

Hmmn  &%+((£   the plot thickens, spiked hot chocolate and taser guns.  Actually a handkerchief soaked in any suitable solvent would do the job just as well, takes seconds to apply and leaves no fumes.  Would knock a child out in seconds and can be reapplied at will when necessary.

[John]

And that is because they didn't bother to check the twins.

I think it all came down to resources.  They had enough trouble looking for a missing 3-year-old to bother with the twins.  In hindsight though it was a dreadful blunder by all involved not to have them tested immediately.

[Robittybob1]

Earlier in the thread I had mentioned that in Silvia Batista's statement she talks of removing the twins drinks as in the version of the translation "TRANSLATION BY ANA BETANCOURT".
"At a certain time, after the arrival of the PJ elements, the parents removed the twins
from the beds in which they were still sleeping and took them to the first floor flat.
At the request of Kate she (the witness) to remove their puppets drink and a blanket that she took to the first floor flat. Only the mattresses remained."

But in the lower version "TRANSLATED BY ALBYM"
"At a given point, soon after the PJ officers arrived, the parents took the twins from their beds where they were sleeping, taking them up to the apartment on the first floor. At Kate's request the deponent took from the babies' cots the dolls and a blanket also up to the first floor. The cots stayed with only the mattresses [in them].

It is the second version which follows the signed statement the best. In the original Portuguese version there is no word referring to "drink" so it is a mystery why Ana Betancourt has added it to the translation.
 

[slartibartfast]

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Had there been any suggestion that the children had been subject to invasive procedure of any kind, the responsibility for organising checking that independently, without doubt, lay with the highly experienced and qualified investigative PJ team.

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Maybe it would have been better if they had left the whole case to the highly experienced and qualified investigative PJ team.

[stephen25000]

What substance?

What dosage?

There is nothing to indicate or suggest either child was drugged.

Had there been any suggestion that the children had been subject to invasive procedure of any kind, the responsibility for organising checking that independently, without doubt, lay with the highly experienced and qualified investigative PJ team.

Perhaps a diligence they either overlooked or perhaps judged unnecessary since they were certainly aware that the twins were sleeping soundly, and were also aware that they were being constantly monitored by doctors.

What scientific training have you had ?

The two children were unresponsive.

On those grounds alone, reason to suspect they may have been drugged or an anesthetic.

[Robittybob1]

What scientific training have you had ?

The two children were unresponsive.

On those grounds alone, reason to suspect they may have been drugged or an anesthetic.

Did we ever discover where the words "unresponsive" when describing the twins come from?

[ferryman]

I can't remember who it was, but I do recall someone observing that one or other of the twins appeared to be asleep in his/her father's arms as they boarded the aeroplane to come home from Portugal, with the roar of the engines to accompany them.

[Mr Gray]

Did we ever discover where the words "unresponsive" when describing the twins come from?

I was thinking that myself
The twins were not medically unresponsive but more likely on a deep sleep
So who first used the word unresponsive giving birth to another myth

[Robittybob1]

Did we ever discover where the words "unresponsive" when describing the twins come from?

Thanks for the text from http://www.anorak.co.uk/280250/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-first-extracts-of-kate-mccanns-book.html/
Extract from her book "“I wandered into the children’s bedroom several times to check on Sean and Amelie. They were both  lying on their front in a kind of crouch, with their heads turned sideways and  their knees tucked under their  tummies. In spite of  the noise and  lights and general pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred. They’d always been sound sleepers, but this seemed unnatural. Scared for them too, I placed  the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically,  for some sign of life. Had Madeleine been given some  kind of sedative to keep her quiet? Had the twins, too?”"
Does someone else use the word "unresponsive"?

[Robittybob1]

I was thinking that myself
The twins were not medically unresponsive but more likely on a deep sleep
So who first used the word unresponsive giving birth to another myth

I searched Google and it seemed to be in the comments where the words unresponsive were found.

[Alfie]

So correct me if I'm wrong. Did you not speculate in your post that Kate may have thought that the twins had been gassed?

From your post:

'The McCanns may have thought that their children had been gassed'

And this

' So it is possible that this was a thought going through Kate's panicked mind at the time.'

Yes, so why are you asking ME to justify the theory that gas may have been used.  Did you not read the last couple of sentences of my post or did you give up before then?