Author Topic: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.  (Read 248553 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

So claiming the twins were unresponsive is another muth

Offline Robittybob1

So claiming the twins were unresponsive is another muth
Until we get some more responses we'll live with that.
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Alfie

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Hmmn  &%+((£   the plot thickens, spiked hot chocolate and taser guns.  Actually a handkerchief soaked in any suitable solvent would do the job just as well, takes seconds to apply and leaves no fumes.  Would knock a child out in seconds and can be reapplied at will when necessary.
I honestly don't think it would have been necessary to sedate any of the children.  They were asleep.  If you pick up a sleeping child it doesn't start screaming immediately, if at all, and certainly not within the timeframe of entering the bedroom, scooping one up and leaving which could be done within a minute.   There have been dozens of reports of "gas attacks" on sleeping holiday makers, including families, which have been roundly ridiculed on here and elsewhere.  The fact is that in most of these cases the families believed that they must have been gassed or sedated because they didn't wake up, and cannot believe that they slept all the way through a robbery that took place inches from their sleeping bodies.  The gas story is therefore a way of trying to rationalise what seems compeletely irrational to them.  I think that's what the McCanns may have done, and what some of us are also doing - trying to come up with an explanation for what is a simple everyday phenenomenon - ie: deep sleep.

Offline Alice Purjorick

I honestly don't think it would have been necessary to sedate any of the children.  They were asleep.  If you pick up a sleeping child it doesn't start screaming immediately, if at all, and certainly not within the timeframe of entering the bedroom, scooping one up and leaving which could be done within a minute.   There have been dozens of reports of "gas attacks" on sleeping holiday makers, including families, which have been roundly ridiculed on here and elsewhere.  The fact is that in most of these cases the families believed that they must have been gassed or sedated because they didn't wake up, and cannot believe that they slept all the way through a robbery that took place inches from their sleeping bodies.  The gas story is therefore a way of trying to rationalise what seems compeletely irrational to them.  I think that's what the McCanns may have done, and what some of us are also doing - trying to come up with an explanation for what is a simple everyday phenenomenon - ie: deep sleep.

Oh yes! and by police forces and the Royal College of Anaesthetists too.
See earlier links.
So that leaves sedation by gas in the boondocks.The only other option using gas is oygen depletion using an inert such as N2.
I'll give you all the guff including how to do the calculations then you can work it out for yourself. The only problem apart from the extent of kit required is that the O2 level must be maintained which in turn means anyone in the room would also be hypoxic unless they were using BA. So inerts go into the boondocks as well. Now what is left...... &%+((£
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Alfie

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Oh yes! and by police forces and the Royal College of Anaesthetists too.
See earlier links.
So that leaves sedation by gas in the boondocks.The only other option using gas is oygen depletion using an inert such as N2.
I'll give you all the guff including how to do the calculations then you can work it out for yourself. The only problem apart from the extent of kit required is that the O2 level must be maintained which in turn means anyone in the room would also be hypoxic unless they were using BA. So inerts go into the boondocks as well. Now what is left...... &%+((£
You still don't seem to get it - I don't need you to give me the guff, you've supplied quite enough of that already since you joined the forum.  I know that the use of gas is a highly unlikely method of sedation in these situations so stop grandstanding and try and understand the point I am making.

Offline Alice Purjorick

You still don't seem to get it - I don't need you to give me the guff, you've supplied quite enough of that already since you joined the forum.  I know that the use of gas is a highly unlikely method of sedation in these situations so stop grandstanding and try and understand the point I am making.

I understand the point you are making.
It is called a volte face in the better parts of Hackney.
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Alfie

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I understand the point you are making.
It is called a volte face in the better parts of Hackney.
Would you like to explain how you have come to that conclusion?  I await your answer with interest.

Alfie

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In my opinion (conjecture here, remember I am not the McCanns so this could be completely wrong, and don't start ascribing my thoughts to them) the McCanns may have thought that their children had been gassed as stories of holiday makers being gassed and robbed on the continent have been doing the rounds for many years.  Before you all jump down my throat I know these stories are considered by many to be a load of hogwash but it still doesn't take away from the fact that such occurrences have been widely reported in the media.  So it is possible that this was a thought going through Kate's panicked mind at the time. Personally I think it's an unlikely scenario, and I also think it's unlikely the children were sedated.
Here is my original post again in which I have highlighted parts which seem to have been left un-read or deliberately ignored.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 03:48:33 PM by ShiningInLuz »

Offline faithlilly

Yes, so why are you asking ME to justify the theory that gas may have been used.  Did you not read the last couple of sentences of my post or did you give up before then?

Please do not make yourself appear any more foolish than you do already. You said Kate may have thought the twins had been gassed. Do you really think this is an excuse for not trying to summon medical help?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Here is my original post again in which I have highlighted parts which seem to have been left un-read or deliberately ignored.

Unfortunately your opinion matters not one jot Alfie. Kate, who was there and also knew the sleeping habits of her children, believed their unresponsiveness was unnatural. So we are still left with that oh so nagging of questions....why did she not seek medical help when she found her children unnaturally unresponsive ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Robittybob1

Unfortunately your opinion matters not one jot Alfie. Kate, who was there and also knew the sleeping habits of her children, believed their unresponsiveness was unnatural. So we are still left with that oh so nagging of questions....why did she not seek medical help when she found her children unnaturally unresponsive ?
The question is can you prove she didn't and it was those she asked for help who did nothing?
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 05:21:59 AM by Robittybob1 »
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Alfie

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Please do not make yourself appear any more foolish than you do already. You said Kate may have thought the twins had been gassed. Do you really think this is an excuse for not trying to summon medical help?
Perhaps you can point to any part of my post where I proffered the gas theory as an excuse for Kate not getting help?  Are you really unable to real my posts without seeing things that aren't there?

Alfie

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Unfortunately your opinion matters not one jot Alfie. Kate, who was there and also knew the sleeping habits of her children, believed their unresponsiveness was unnatural. So we are still left with that oh so nagging of questions....why did she not seek medical help when she found her children unnaturally unresponsive ?
When I am being accused of holding an opinion which I do not hold then it is important for me to clarify what I said, even if it means writing it large and bold.  You may prefer to see things in my posts which aren't there but I think that's a bit silly.

Alfie

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Unfortunately your opinion matters not one jot Alfie. Kate, who was there and also knew the sleeping habits of her children, believed their unresponsiveness was unnatural. So we are still left with that oh so nagging of questions....why did she not seek medical help when she found her children unnaturally unresponsive ?
Let's not forget that your opinion on why Kate McCann did not seek medical help matters not a jot either, so where does that leave us?
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 08:12:35 AM by Alfie »

Offline faithlilly

Perhaps you can point to any part of my post where I proffered the gas theory as an excuse for Kate not getting help?  Are you really unable to real my posts without seeing things that aren't there?

So do you agree that if Kate thought the twins had been gassed the first thing she should have done is summon medical help?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?