Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[ShiningInLuz]

Cite for me wishing gassed had not been raised or withdraw your claim.

Alfie, I was careful enough to put in 'seemingly wished' therefore making it IMO.

If you enjoyed or were OK with the fun and games re gassing, fine.  I did not.

[slartibartfast]

Do you not read this board?

Cite or withdraw your statement.

[Benice]

Kate McCann says she feared her children had been sedated because their sleep seemed 'unnatural'. She checked for signs of life. Months later she's saying she believed 'the kidnapper' had drugged them. She says she told the GNR officers of her fears, but no-one mentions her doing that.

When the PJ arrived their first concern was to clear the apartment of people to preserve the scene. It was the ideal opportunity to tell them of her fears, but she didn't. How anyone expects them to have known without being told escapes me. I don't think it's usual for any police force to start testing infants for sedation unless there's some reason to suspect they have been drugged.

If anyone can explain why the PJ should have suspected to find drugged children I would be interested to hear it.

If the GNR officers had not passed on Kate's concerns to anyone then it is possible that the PJ did not know about them.      That could explain why there was no action or feedback from the PJ at the time  and would explain why the FLO's were asked on the 5th to bring the subject up with them again.

If you really think that on first meeting the PJ officers Kate would have relegated her frantic fear regarding Madeleine's disappearance to below that of her concern re her sleeping twins, then I am gobsmacked.   Her whole concentration on the PJ's arrival would be 100%  on what she believed was Madeleine's abduction and as far as she knew she had already informed the police of her concerns anyway.     Remember that at that stage she had no idea that the GNR were not  'the police'  that she assumed they were.

IMO

[Alfie]

Alfie, I was careful enough to put in 'seemingly wished' therefore making it IMO.

If you enjoyed or were OK with the fun and games re gassing, fine.  I did not.

I didn't and don't enjoy being deliberately misunderstood but I have no regrets about mentioning gassing, in fact I subsequently posted a link to a so-called gassing robbery in southern Spain which happened just a few months before Madeleine disappeared, reinforcing my view that such events may well have been fresh in Kate's mind at the time.

[ShiningInLuz]

I didn't and don't enjoy being deliberately misunderstood but I have no regrets about mentioning gassing, in fact I subsequently posted a link to a so-called gassing robbery in southern Spain which happened just a few months before Madeleine disappeared, reinforcing my view that such events may well have been fresh in Kate's mind at the time.

I realise that you did as you say and from memory I gave thanks for your links and your effort.  Personally, I thought it was an extended distraction, not of your making, IMO.

[Alfie]

I realise that you did as you say and from memory I gave thanks for your links and your effort.  Personally, I thought it was an extended distraction, not of your making, IMO.

Actually no you didn't, but never mind - I didn't expect thanks for my link or effort, least of all from yourself.  My post (on page 47 of this thread was seemingly ignored by all 

[ShiningInLuz]

Actually no you didn't, but never mind - I didn't expect thanks for my link or effort, least of all from yourself.  My post (on page 47 of this thread was seemingly ignored by all 

How odd, Alfie.  Page 47, post 701 to be precise, is where you quote me as thanking you for your info re the gassing topic turning up on the Richard and Judy show prior to Madeleine's disappearance.

[G-Unit]

If the GNR officers had not passed on Kate's concerns to anyone then it is possible that the PJ did not know about them.      That could explain why there was no action or feedback from the PJ at the time  and would explain why the FLO's were asked on the 5th to bring the subject up with them again.

If you really think that on first meeting the PJ officers Kate would have delegated her frantic fear regarding Madeleine's disappearance to below that of her concern re her sleeping twins, then I am gobsmacked.   Her whole concentration on the PJ's arrival would be 100%  on what she believed was Madeleine's abduction and as far as she knew she had already informed the police of her concerns anyway.     Remember that at that stage she had no idea that the GNR were not  'the police'  that she assumed they were.

IMO

The only person who says the GNR were informed is Kate, so that's difficult to verify. As far as I know she didn't tell anyone she had told them until she wrote it in her book years later. We know that her question to the FLO's didn't concern the twins, only Madeleine, so they weren't told.

I'm gobsmacked that you think she would not be equally worried about all her children. As far as she was concerned two of her precious children were sleeping unnaturally and she checked them for signs of life. She thought they may have been given an unknown dose of an unknown substance by a criminal and she didn't scream repeatedly for them to have the best medical assessment, monitoring and resuscitation equipment available in case their condition suddenly worsened? Even though she should must known that all that is done as routine when children are sedated in hospital with careful dosages of suitable substances administered by qualified doctors?

[Robittybob1]

The words "Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum" come to mind.  One can understand as well when you read the post above by G-unit.

"It was not until about 11.10pm that two policemen arrived from the nearest town, Lagos, about five miles away. To me they seemed bewildered and out of their depth, and I couldn’t shake the images of Tweedledum and Tweedledee out of my head. I realise how unfair this might sound, but with communication hampered by the language barrier and precious time passing, their presence did not fill me with confidence at all.”  Thanks to Peter Mac for the text.  http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.nz/2016/08/chapter-5-sedation.html

The words "but with communication hampered by the language barrier and precious time passing, their presence did not fill me with confidence at all." Is that Kate saying that even with the presence of Silvia Batista acting as an interpreter there was still a language barrier?   Now that might explain why Kate's request for drug testing the twins did not get through.

[G-Unit]

The words "Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum" come to mind.  One can understand as well when you read the post above by G-unit.

"It was not until about 11.10pm that two policemen arrived from the nearest town, Lagos, about five miles away. To me they seemed bewildered and out of their depth, and I couldn’t shake the images of Tweedledum and Tweedledee out of my head. I realise how unfair this might sound, but with communication hampered by the language barrier and precious time passing, their presence did not fill me with confidence at all.”  Thanks to Peter Mac for the text.  http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.nz/2016/08/chapter-5-sedation.html

The words "but with communication hampered by the language barrier and precious time passing, their presence did not fill me with confidence at all." Is that Kate saying that even with the presence of Silvia Batista acting as an interpreter there was still a language barrier?   Now that might explain why Kate's request for drug testing the twins did not get through.

Putting the boot into the Portuguese police from the off, I see. Precious time had already passed because no-one knows what time the child disappeared and the police weren't called promptly. I'm surprised the Portuguese haven't been criticised for not arriving before they were called; everything else seems to be their fault.

What request for drug testing? I haven't seen any evidence that drug testing was requested.

[ShiningInLuz]

Putting the boot into the Portuguese police from the off, I see. Precious time had already passed because no-one knows what time the child disappeared and the police weren't called promptly. I'm surprised the Portuguese haven't been criticised for not arriving before they were called; everything else seems to be their fault.

What request for drug testing? I haven't seen any evidence that drug testing was requested.

Ditto on the bolded part.  73 pages in and no evidence that drug testing was requested.

[Robittybob1]

Ditto on the bolded part.  73 pages in and no evidence that drug testing was requested.

I had written about it.  It is documented on Page 99 of Madeleine by Kate.  Same page as introducing Silvia Batista.

[ShiningInLuz]

I had written about it.  It is documented on Page 99 of Madeleine by Kate.  Same page as introducing Silvia Batista.

Kindly check your references.  Unless you have an odd copy of 'madeleine' page 99 is about Alan Pike.  Sorry, but I'm not searching for where Silvia got introduced in your copy.

[Benice]

The only person who says the GNR were informed is Kate, so that's difficult to verify. As far as I know she didn't tell anyone she had told them until she wrote it in her book years later. We know that her question to the FLO's didn't concern the twins, only Madeleine, so they weren't told.

I'm gobsmacked that you think she would not be equally worried about all her children. As far as she was concerned two of her precious children were sleeping unnaturally and she checked them for signs of life. She thought they may have been given an unknown dose of an unknown substance by a criminal and she didn't scream repeatedly for them to have the best medical assessment, monitoring and resuscitation equipment available in case their condition suddenly worsened? Even though she should must known that all that is done as routine when children are sedated in hospital with careful dosages of suitable substances administered by qualified doctors?

Well we shall have to agree to disagree.     Her daughter had disappeared  - fact.    Her twins had not disappeared   and her concern was not that they had been sedated but that they may have been sedated.    If you can't see the massive  difference between those two vastly different  scenarios then I am surprised.

[misty]

Kindly check your references.  Unless you have an odd copy of 'madeleine' page 99 is about Alan Pike.  Sorry, but I'm not searching for where Silvia got introduced in your copy.

Pages 75-76 of the hardback copy.