Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Robittybob1]

Pages 75-76 of the hardback copy.

Mine was the paperback "revised and updated version".  Thanks Misty.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7852.msg371978#msg371978  where the text appears in this thread.
"According to Kate;

I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated [Madeleine]

That was to the GNR officers 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'.

She does not say she told the PJ when they arrived later."

But now we have an additional claim of an apparent translation problem when Silvia was supposedly present.  So as I had anticipated the problem is with the transference of the message from Kate to Silvia to the GNR back to Silvia back to Kate.  Kate may have thought her message was relayed properly but it wasn't.  So on the 5th she brought it up again, but this time the question seems to only mention Madeleine.  Another interpretation problem maybe.

[ShiningInLuz]

Pages 75-76 of the hardback copy.

Thanks for this.  It cuts it down a lot, for which I am truly grateful.

"We tried to explain what had happened.  David reported his concerns about roadblocks and border notification and I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated.  A lady called Silvia, who worked at the Ocean Club, had arrived to help out with translation."

From p76 in my copy of 'madeleine'.

[Mr Gray]

Define responsive.

READ AGAIN.


Deep Sedation/Analgesia is a drug-induced depression of consciousness during which patients cannot be easily aroused but respond purposefully following repeated or painful stimulation. The ability to independently maintain ventilatory function may be impaired. Patients may require assistance in maintaining a patent airway, and spontaneous ventilation may be inadequate. Cardiovascular function is usually maintained.

That is an induced response, not of the patients initiation.

If it was at the patients initiation it would not be a response
Response to verbal instruction response to touch
Sedation is not general anaesthesia

[Robittybob1]

That plus "but with communication hampered by the language barrier and precious time passing".
Faced with 2 kids needing attention, communication problems and Madeleine missing no wonder she was a bit rattled but considering how well she has remembered the detail, I don't think she had lost it, but it was more other's concerns for Kate rather than that she was out of control, even though she admits to moments of despair.

[Alfie]

How odd, Alfie.  Page 47, post 701 to be precise, is where you quote me as thanking you for your info re the gassing topic turning up on the Richard and Judy show prior to Madeleine's disappearance.

I was referring to the news story which I posted in post 701 which was ignored, but yes you did thank me before that and I am forever grateful for that.

[Alfie]

The only person who says the GNR were informed is Kate, so that's difficult to verify. As far as I know she didn't tell anyone she had told them until she wrote it in her book years later. We know that her question to the FLO's didn't concern the twins, only Madeleine, so they weren't told.

I'm gobsmacked that you think she would not be equally worried about all her children. As far as she was concerned two of her precious children were sleeping unnaturally and she checked them for signs of life. She thought they may have been given an unknown dose of an unknown substance by a criminal and she didn't scream repeatedly for them to have the best medical assessment, monitoring and resuscitation equipment available in case their condition suddenly worsened? Even though she should must known that all that is done as routine when children are sedated in hospital with careful dosages of suitable substances administered by qualified doctors?

Based on your admonishment above one can only conclude that you believe Kate McCann is an uncaring if not downright evil monster.  Is there any other explanation for this "gobsmacking" behaviour of hers that you can think of?

[G-Unit]

Mine was the paperback "revised and updated version".  Thanks Misty.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7852.msg371978#msg371978  where the text appears in this thread.
"According to Kate;

I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated [Madeleine]

That was to the GNR officers 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'.

She does not say she told the PJ when they arrived later."

But now we have an additional claim of an apparent translation problem when Silvia was supposedly present.  So as I had anticipated the problem is with the transference of the message from Kate to Silvia to the GNR back to Silvia back to Kate.  Kate may have thought her message was relayed properly but it wasn't.  So on the 5th she brought it up again, but this time the question seems to only mention Madeleine.  Another interpretation problem maybe.

She didn't ask for her children to be tested for drugs though, which is what you said she did.

It's hard to believe how unlucky this group were according to some. People either ignored them or didn't translate their words. It never seems to occur to people that the fault may lie with them, not with all those being blamed. 

[Alfie]

She didn't ask for her children to be tested for drugs though, which is what you said she did.

It's hard to believe how unlucky this group were according to some. People either ignored them or didn't translate their words. It never seems to occur to people that the fault may lie with them, not with all those being blamed.

whose job is it to gather evidence at a potential crime scene?  The police or the victims?  If it occurred to Kate McCann that her children may have been sedated, and as the papers were regularly filled with stories of holiday makers being gassed and robbed, and considering the apparent circumstances, so what exactly was preventing the police in this case from also considering the possibility that the children may have been sedated?  Were the police right in your view not to consider this possibility from the off, or run tests on the twins?

[G-Unit]

whose job is it to gather evidence at a potential crime scene?  The police or the victims?  If it occurred to Kate McCann that her children may have been sedated, and as the papers were regularly filled with stories of holiday makers being gassed and robbed, and considering the apparent circumstances, so what exactly was preventing the police in this case from also considering the possibility that the children may have been sedated?  Were the police right in your view not to consider this possibility from the off, or run tests on the twins?

Is it usual when a child disappears for police to start testing their siblings for sedation? I've never heard of that. The child could have just wandered off and been found any minute.

[Robittybob1]

She didn't ask for her children to be tested for drugs though, which is what you said she did.

It's hard to believe how unlucky this group were according to some. People either ignored them or didn't translate their words. It never seems to occur to people that the fault may lie with them, not with all those being blamed.

Did I say that, did I?  Well sorry if I did for we now have Kate's words as recorded in her book.  "I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated"  but quite clearly that is not what was said but that is the summary of what she said.  No one can tell the exact words she used to report her "fears that all three children could have been sedated".  So maybe she did did ask for her children to be tested for drugs.

Is it usual when a child disappears for police to start testing their siblings for sedation? I've never heard of that. The child could have just wandered off and been found any minute.

It maybe the case when a mother reports her "fears that all three children could have been sedated".

[stephen25000]

Did I say that, did I?  Well sorry if I did for we now have Kate's words as recorded in her book.  "I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated"  but quite clearly that is not what was said but that is the summary of what she said.  No one can tell the exact words she used to report her "fears that all three children could have been sedated".  So maybe she did did ask for her children to be tested for drugs.
It maybe the case when a mother reports her "fears that all three children could have been sedated".

....and did not take the surviving children to be tested.


Mmm.

[Robittybob1]

....and did not take the surviving children to be tested.


Mmm.

Did she have transport?  If it happened in a place where Kate knew she was going and could speak the language, and had a means of getting there I'd say she would not have hesitated.

[stephen25000]

Did she have transport?  If it happened in a place where Kate knew she was going and could speak the language, and had a means of getting there I'd say she would not have hesitated.

Did she have transport ?

Taxi or car hire.

The staff at the complex could have assisted. Likewise, many people in Portugal can speak English.

SO BASICALLY, NO EXCUSES.

[Alfie]

Is it usual when a child disappears for police to start testing their siblings for sedation? I've never heard of that. The child could have just wandered off and been found any minute.

I'm not suggesting they tested the twins that night, but when it became apparent that a crime had most likely been committed don't you think they should have at least considered the possibility that the twins who were in the room at the time might have been interfered with in some way?

[G-Unit]

Did I say that, did I?  Well sorry if I did for we now have Kate's words as recorded in her book.  "I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated"  but quite clearly that is not what was said but that is the summary of what she said.  No one can tell the exact words she used to report her "fears that all three children could have been sedated".  So maybe she did did ask for her children to be tested for drugs.
It maybe the case when a mother reports her "fears that all three children could have been sedated".

I do wish you'd stick to evidence. You seem to work on the principle that if it's not there it's OK to make it up. Are you seriously suggesting that three people would ignore a desperate mother worried that her children had been given something which could harm them? Apart from anything else her words would have been given more attention because of her profession.