Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[ferryman]

It's outright libel to discuss 'cadaver scent'. 

There was none.

[jassi]

See what I mean ? It's like Pavlov's dog   

[Robittybob1]

This is the reason supporters are desperate to rubbish the dogs at every end. If the alerts are correct, then the McCanns are well and truly in the frame.

It is hard to see why they would have asked or even brought up the issue of sedation use, on Madeleine or the twins, if they had done it themselves.

I see I had made an error in my previous post so I'll repost it with  the correction.  [word NOT added]

"1. If an abductor had overdosed MM and she died, how long after death would it be before cadaver odour was still detectable 3 months later?  There was NOT any strange smells in her apartment so I think we can safely say she was alive that Thursday (i.e. I don't buy into Richards D. Hall's theory of her being dead most of that week. The apartment would have smelt shocking if that was where the cadaver was stored, unless they stuck it in the fridge along with their foodstuff and turned it to "colder").

2. How long would it take for the sedative substances to take effect and then to kill her from an overdose?

[G-Unit]

It is hard to see why they would have asked or even brought up the issue of sedation use, on Madeleine or the twins, if they had done it themselves.

I see I had made an error in my previous post so I'll repost it with  the correction.  [word NOT added]

"1. If an abductor had overdosed MM and she died, how long after death would it be before cadaver odour was still detectable 3 months later?  There was NOT any strange smells in her apartment so I think we can safely say she was alive that Thursday (i.e. I don't buy into Richards D. Hall's theory of her being dead most of that week. The apartment would have smelt shocking if that was where the cadaver was stored, unless they stuck it in the fridge along with their foodstuff and turned it to "colder").

2. How long would it take for the sedative substances to take effect and then to kill her from an overdose?

I'm starting to feel if the cadaver odour came from MM and her death (scenario only) had something to do with sedation the substances would have to be given before the McCanns left to go to the Tapas Bar or immediately after (even then the period from 8:30 to 10 it isn't long enough to die from overdose and develop enough cadaver odour to be detectable 3 months later).

Purely hypothetically, if something was given with the before bed snack and then death occurred shortly after from another cause you would have a reason for not surrendering the body and plenty of time for the scent of death to develop.

[Alfie]

It is hard to see why they would have asked or even brought up the issue of sedation use, on Madeleine or the twins, if they had done it themselves.

I see I had made an error in my previous post so I'll repost it with  the correction.  [word NOT added]

"1. If an abductor had overdosed MM and she died, how long after death would it be before cadaver odour was still detectable 3 months later?  There was NOT any strange smells in her apartment so I think we can safely say she was alive that Thursday (i.e. I don't buy into Richards D. Hall's theory of her being dead most of that week. The apartment would have smelt shocking if that was where the cadaver was stored, unless they stuck it in the fridge along with their foodstuff and turned it to "colder").

2. How long would it take for the sedative substances to take effect and then to kill her from an overdose?

I think the view amongst sceptics here is not that MBM was killed by an overdose, but that somehow an overdose of sedative prompted her to wake up, get out of bed and drag a wobbly plastic chair over to the balcony whereupon she clambered up and over the patio stairs, plumeting to her instant death at the bottom.  She was then more or less immediately scooped up, chucked into a cupboard whilst the cunning plan was devised (sometime between a chat with a mate and the main course).

[Alice Purjorick]

See what I mean ? It's like Pavlov's dog   

It ever was thus. If you phrase the post carefully enough you will know the response before it has been typed....

[Alfie]

It would be interesting to know which sedative drug when given in overdose to young children causes them to fall asleep and then suddenly wake up minutes later and start moving fixtures and fittings around and climbing on the furniture.  Perhaps Davel will advise.

[ShiningInLuz]

I guess the Professor will have an open contact address and there is the fund address.  There might be other more devious ways as well.

I have tried both of the non-devious ways you have suggested and what I got was silence.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think the view amongst sceptics here is not that MBM was killed by an overdose, but that somehow an overdose of sedative prompted her to wake up, get out of bed and drag a wobbly plastic chair over to the balcony whereupon she clambered up and over the patio stairs, plumeting to her instant death at the bottom.  She was then more or less immediately scooped up, chucked into a cupboard whilst the cunning plan was devised (sometime between a chat with a mate and the main course).

Which "sceptics" would they be then?

[Mr Gray]

Purely hypothetically, if something was given with the before bed snack and then death occurred shortly after from another cause you would have a reason for not surrendering the body and plenty of time for the scent of death to develop.

Yes and then
You are investigated by portumgals finest detective who knows exactly what you have done
You face years in jail but manage to get away with it
So you return to the uk
Start a multimillion pound fraudulent fund and spend all the money on detectives
You are now guilty of a much more serious crime
Write a book and earn a million and still not keep the money for yourself
Then having got away with two serious crimes you invite another team of crack detectives to investigate you

If you think that is a realistic situation you must be barmy

[Eleanor]

I have had quite enough of accusations of lying..  This will cease now.  Or else.

[Robittybob1]

Purely hypothetically, if something was given with the before bed snack and then death occurred shortly after from another cause you would have a reason for not surrendering the body and plenty of time for the scent of death to develop.

Would they have let Matt do the 9:30 check then if that was the case? 

[jassi]

Why not. The time of the alarm might not have been crucial. Hypothetically speaking, you understand.

[Robittybob1]

I think the view amongst sceptics here is not that MBM was killed by an overdose, but that somehow an overdose of sedative prompted her to wake up, get out of bed and drag a wobbly plastic chair over to the balcony whereupon she clambered up and over the patio stairs, plumeting to her instant death at the bottom.  She was then more or less immediately scooped up, chucked into a cupboard whilst the cunning plan was devised (sometime between a chat with a mate and the main course).

They are certainly quick thinking in that scenario!

[Robittybob1]

Why not. The time of the alarm might not have been crucial. Hypothetically speaking, you understand.

So Matt messed up again did he?  Should he have discovered Madeleine missing at that stage?