Are the cadaver alerts evidence

[barrier]

The alerts were never important
What they wanted was real evidence
They didn't find any

Along with the MET.

[Robittybob1]

Along with most if not all papers the age of the cadaver is not disclosed,unless all cadavers from a day old through to 100 yrs old decompose at the same rate for cadaver scent to occur,just seems unlikely.

From experience of working with animals I'd say interspecies variations would be more important than age. 

[Robittybob1]

Along with the MET.

I think we will be surprised what has been passed on to them over the years.

[Robittybob1]

Grime said the alerts if not confirmed had no evidential value.... harrison said no inference can be drawn from the alerts if they are not corroborated....on what basis do posters here claim the alerts are evidence

They may not be evidence but they can still be reliable.

[slartibartfast]

From experience of working with animals I'd say interspecies variations would be more important than age.

I think size, temperature, cause of death, position of body will also have impact on cadaver scent development times.

[Robittybob1]

Here is the whole quote "Now, the (peace) Police officer in
charge of the case must develop other reasonable suspicion indicators to
develop probable cause. "Probable cause exists when under the totality of
circumstances known to the arresting officer; a prudent person would have
concluded that there was a fair probability that the defendant had committed a
crime."
These other reasonable suspicion indicators may be direct or circumstantial
evidence.
The bottom line to a human scent K-9 handler is this; the dog alert must be
corroborated by other evidence.

The other evidence can be additional circumstantial evidence.

[ferryman]

< it was imperative that Keela DID NOT alert where Eddie did.>

It's not unusual for a cadaver dog and a blood dog to alert in the same place  i.e. a murder investigation team is working on this case. Eddie's first alert was in the bedroom and Keela did not alert.

Metropolitan Police Service

MPS Publication Scheme Disclosure Log - March 2016

DECISION

I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full.

1 Detective Sergeant and 3 Detective Constables are dedicated to Op Grange, they are attached to, and under the supervision of, a full Murder Investigation Team, these numbers did not change for the time period you specified.

http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2016/march_2016/2016010001047.pdf

Eddie's alert at Prout's confirmed to the police he was involved in his wife's disappearance and they eventually produced enough circumstantial evidence to convict him.

Nonsense.

Eddie's alert, in the matrimonial home of the Prouts, was used as intelligence (not evidence) that led detectives to an erroneous conclusion, in a nonetheless safe conviction; that Prout had strangled his wife in the matrimonial home.

In fact, Prout strangled and buried his wife in an out-house, several hundred yards away from the matrimonial home.

And the principal evidence was that Kate Prout's bank accounts and other investments all remained untouched from the point she disappeared.

Had Kate Prout been alive, she would have needed money to survive.

[stephen25000]

Nonsense.

Eddie's alert, in the matrimonial home of the Prouts, was used as intelligence (not evidence) that led detectives to an erroneous conclusion, in a nonetheless safe conviction; that Prout had strangled his wife in the matrimonial home.

In fact, Prout strangled and buried his wife in an out-house, several hundred yards away from the matrimonial home.

And the principal evidence was that Kate Prout's bank accounts and other investments all remained untouched from the point she disappeared.

Had Kate Prout been alive, she would have needed money to survive.

Secondary transfer.

[Robittybob1]

Secondary transfer.

You are allowed to hypothesise but how would you prove that?

[slartibartfast]

You are allowed to hypothesise but how would you prove that?

You don't.

[pathfinder73]

Let's read your post very carefully.

You said ... "Prout was convicted on circumstantial evidence by a jury." ... and that is it.  There was enough evidence to enable a jury to convict him of murder.

Know what?  The jury got it absolutely right.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/convicted-wife-killer-adrian-prout-278349

He was convicted for murder with no body. You posted an article 19 months later 18 NOV 2011.

February 06, 2010

Read more at http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/life-sentence-looms-adrian-prout/story-11888242-detail/story.html#d4aWOtYBwG5Bjrv3.99

Farmer Adrian Prout given life for wife's murder - Monday, 8 February 2010
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/8503848.stm

[Lace]

I would like to mention the black and white trousers of Kate's which Eddie is supposed to have alerted to [I say supposed as he seemed to be playing with them rather than alerting].    Are we meant to believe that after Kate was in contact with the cadaver,   she put them on again when she made her appeal to the abductor?   I really can't imagine anyone wearing something that had been in contact with a dead body [her child's] and then wearing them later on to make her appeal.

[Benice]

I would like to mention the black and white trousers of Kate's which Eddie is supposed to have alerted to [I say supposed as he seemed to be playing with them rather than alerting].    Are we meant to believe that after Kate was in contact with the cadaver,   she put them on again when she made her appeal to the abductor?   I really can't imagine anyone wearing something that had been in contact with a dead body [her child's] and then wearing them later on to make her appeal.

Also why didn't Eddie make alerts in the Payne's apartment - where both Kate and Gerry had spent hours in the clothing they had worn all evening immediately after they vacated 5a.    Surely cross-contamination would have occurred - especially on the furniture.

[Mr Gray]

It seems to me that every potential murder scene Grime goes to he records an alert
At a later date if death is proved he claims it as a success

[Robittybob1]

It seems to me that every potential murder scene Grime goes to he records an alert
At a later date if death is proved he claims it as a success

Show me your stats for this thesis.