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Offline Robittybob1

Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« on: February 12, 2017, 04:45:58 AM »
How could the McCanns prove themselves innocent?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2017, 05:10:15 AM »

They can't prove their innocence, and shouldn't have to.  They are innocent in the eyes of any normal justice system.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2017, 05:23:02 AM »
It is a detailed analysis by the SC judges.  I see they took the report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida as gospel but that was only Tavares's opinion, but the judges seem to treat it as a fact.  It is a fact it was written but the conclusions in it are terribly wrong.  Goncalo uses these wrong conclusions to support his thesis, so his thesis is based on an error. 

How did the initial judge (the one that banned the book get it "so wrong"?)   For the McCann's would not be in such financial strife if the first judge had dismissed their case. 
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2017, 05:29:08 AM »

It appears to be a huge generation gap.  The old school still rules.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2017, 05:32:21 AM »
The part dealing with Tavares' report goes "9. In folios 2587-2602 of the criminal investigation, the 10/9/2007, Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida wrote a report and in particular the following : Given what we could establish, the facts point towards the death of Madeleine McCann during the evening of 3 May 2007, in the apartment 5A of Praia da Luz Ocean Club resort, occupied by the McCann couple and their three children (page 2599) (...)

Taking into account all that was presented in the minutes, it results that :

A) The minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz in the evening of May 3, 2007 ;

B) A simulation of abduction took place ;

C) In order to make possible the death of the minor before 22h, a story about checking on the McCann children, as they slept, was invented ;

D) Kate and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the body of their daughter MMC;

E) On this date it seems there is no solid evidence that the death of the minor was not due to a tragic accident;

F) Given what has been confirmed so far, everything indicates that the couple McCann, as self-defence, does not want to deliver immediately and voluntarily the body, existing a high probability...
Page 57
... that the same was removed from the place where it was originally disposed of. This situation is likely to raise questions about the circumstances in which occurred the death of the minor.
Thus we suggest that autos be delivered to the prosecutor of Lagos aiming :

G) A possible new interrogation of assisted witnesses KMC and GMC;

H) Evaluate the adequate measure of constraint to be applied in the case (page 2601)."

Was this all from Tavares's report?   
It all seems like his suspicions and nothing of it is based on fact.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2017, 05:48:04 AM »
It seems strange to have an unfinished sentence as part of the the SC judgement.
Page 57:
"11. In folio 3170 of the criminal investigation, on 3/12/2007, the JCI of Portimão issued a decree in which he stated particularly this:

Since the investigation, in these autos, concerns the practice of kidnapping, homicide, exposure or abandonment and concealment of corpse, the first three crimes being punished with a sentence of more than 3 years imprisonment, and since it seems convenient to identify the person who..."

Did they misquote it like that to cast some aspersions on the McCanns innocence?  Yes they should identify the person responsible for Madeleine's disappearance, but you can't just assume it was the McCanns.
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stephen25000

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Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2017, 08:48:05 AM »


The case remains unsolved.

No 'abductor' has been found, and of course, no forensic evidence of a break in.

The McCann's remain the last known people to see Madeleine alive.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2017, 09:20:10 AM »

The case remains unsolved.

No 'abductor' has been found, and of course, no forensic evidence of a break in.

The McCann's remain the last known people to see Madeleine alive.
You don't know that.  You are just making that up.
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stephen25000

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Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2017, 09:25:47 AM »
You don't know that.  You are just making that up.

Try again bob.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2017, 09:27:06 AM »
Try again bob.
You don't know anything. 
Who was this "and since it seems convenient to identify the person who..."?
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stephen25000

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Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2017, 09:32:12 AM »
You don't know anything. 
Who was this "and since it seems convenient to identify the person who..."?

Don't be ridiculous.

How Madeleine disappeared from the apartment, remains undetermined, as does her fate.

The last known people to see her alive were her parents.

Now time bob for you to get real.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2017, 09:34:03 AM »

The case remains unsolved.

No 'abductor' has been found, and of course, no forensic evidence of a break in.

The McCann's remain the last known people to see Madeleine alive.
If you really believe this when did they last see her?

Don't be ridiculous.

How Madeleine disappeared from the apartment, remains undetermined, as does her fate.

The last known people to see her alive were her parents.

Now time bob for you to get real.

Give me an answer to the above question: when did they last see her?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2017, 09:40:32 AM »
Can't you answer that?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2017, 09:44:23 AM »
How do you know they were the last to see her?  When was that?
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stephen25000

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Re: Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2017, 09:44:40 AM »
Can't you answer that?

They claim, at some point before they went to the tapas.