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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #180 on: July 02, 2017, 12:48:04 PM »
Again back to the TWO listings....

Is it unpresidented to Have Two different Listings... of TWO Different Types of Hearings... At Two Different Court Rooms for ONE Case?????

No-one can possibly make such a grave mistake in Listings ???? They have to be deliberately listed that way (IMO)....

So who gave the information for the "Listings"??????? In an attempt to "Mislead".... (IMO)...

What can be done about this information???

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #181 on: July 02, 2017, 12:55:22 PM »
Maybe the two listings were for the two different cases VT had to answer to. First murder and the second porn, remember the judge at the beginning of VT's trial said that the porn could not be used in the murder case because it would bias the jury against VT.

Could you also tell me how Joanna saw VT through the kitchen window if in fact she did, when the light was on inside and very dark outside. This point has always puzzled me.

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« Reply #182 on: July 02, 2017, 01:19:09 PM »
Maybe the two listings were for the two different cases VT had to answer to. First murder and the second porn, remember the judge at the beginning of VT's trial said that the porn could not be used in the murder case because it would bias the jury against VT.

Could you also tell me how Joanna saw VT through the kitchen window if in fact she did, when the light was on inside and very dark outside. This point has always puzzled me.

Hi Nina.... I don't believe that was the case ....  Both listings have the time as 10:00am in the morning..... No-one can possibly attend "TWO COURT ROOMS" at the same time... whether via video link or not.... The Judge .. Prosecution and Defence have also got to be in Two places at the same time.... and unless they have a "Full Set Of "DOPPLEGANGERS" in The wings.... that isn't happening anytime soon....

And normally all of the case would be heard in ONE Court Room and Not TWO different Court Rooms....


So..........NO... No... And "NO" Again..... There was something well and truly dodgy about "The Old Bailey Hearing.... (IMO)... Just like I believe something Well and Truly Dodgy about This Whole Case...(IMO)...


If The "For Mention" is what the Hearing is about... Then William Clegg hasn't got the Instruction For his Client and all of the pretty maids are NOT in a Row..... They need ALL.. of the information there to even go for "A plea Management hearing " that would result in a Plea being made... If I'm understanding this correctly...


If the "For Mention" Hearing was taking place... then at that hearing they would set a date For "The Plea and Management Hearing'.... Not roll them into ONE!!!!... These hearings take time to organise as I am sure you are aware....
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So.... How can they have TWO different listings for One Case ....At One Court being The Old Bailey"... in Two Court Rooms being 1 and 2 ....  on the same day????

That must be a virtual impossibility.... Or as I will keep saying something "UNTOWARD" Happened...... (IMO)...

Come on.... please someone with Criminal Law Expertise please explain how this is possible... and where if anywhere I am possibly going wrong....


Nina... can I ask you something..... Doesn't this Case strike you as ODD...??????



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« Reply #183 on: July 02, 2017, 01:52:05 PM »
Just Looking at The Judge....  On Wiki... It doesn't Mention The Joanna Yeates Case in his listing....


Then I found these two images of him... and they look different to me...


Are the images even the same man ?????

I can't tell....  The next to last screenshot is an image of three pics together ... do they look like the same man ????


https://www.judicial.ky/judicial-administration/justices-of-appeal

http://www.oeclaw.co.uk/barristers/profile/the-hon-sir-richard-field

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Field_(judge)


https://caymannewsservice.com/2015/01/four-more-appeal-judges-to-tackle-high-court-backlog/

http://www.topfoto.co.uk/imageflows/preview/t=topfoto&f=0313989



EDIT.... Why would Judge Field... wear Glasses for his Photograph in his Gowns ... which suggests he wears them permanently....and The Drawn court images of The Trial of Dr Vincent Tabak... Yet any other pictures of him show him without glasses... ??? Slightly strange....(IMO)..

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #184 on: July 02, 2017, 02:10:14 PM »
Yes there are a few things that strike me as odd, but speaking as one that knows nothing about the legal system, I don't think any particular court case would follow a precise format, each case would be different and both sides are going to go where both the evidence and the words of the person on trial take them. Does that make sense?
Also just because you don't believe that the two listing were for the two different charges doesn't make it so. Say that one was just for a plea of guilty, that surely would not take long. They, IMO might be listed at the same time one is just a guilty/not guilty plea the other manslaughter and all the legal waffle that must go with that, before the trial starts.

I would like an answer about the lighting in the kitchen and how Joanna managed to see VT and therefore let him in. That is one other thing that strikes me as odd.

You see in my mind, although there may be odd things re: the trial, I keep coming back to the point that VT admitted he murdered Joanna and he has had 7years to shout his innocence since then and he hasn't. Also when he gained entry to her flat he knew (IMO) that Greg R would not be disturbing him by coming home.

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« Reply #185 on: July 02, 2017, 02:31:32 PM »
Yes there are a few things that strike me as odd, but speaking as one that knows nothing about the legal system, I don't think any particular court case would follow a precise format, each case would be different and both sides are going to go where both the evidence and the words of the person on trial take them. Does that make sense?
Also just because you don't believe that the two listing were for the two different charges doesn't make it so. Say that one was just for a plea of guilty, that surely would not take long. They, IMO might be listed at the same time one is just a guilty/not guilty plea the other manslaughter and all the legal waffle that must go with that, before the trial starts.

I would like an answer about the lighting in the kitchen and how Joanna managed to see VT and therefore let him in. That is one other thing that strikes me as odd.

You see in my mind, although there may be odd things re: the trial, I keep coming back to the point that VT admitted he murdered Joanna and he has had 7years to shout his innocence since then and he hasn't. Also when he gained entry to her flat he knew (IMO) that Greg R would not be disturbing him by coming home.


The Point you make about The Lighting in the kitchen, is a Good Point Nina....

As science would help prove If The Light is ON in The Kitchen and it is dark outside... Joanna Yeates could not possibly tell who walked past her Kitchen window....

Yet I do not know where it says that the "Outside Light " was on..... Except I would say.. But for the images of 44 canygne Road... where the "OUTSIDE LIGHT IS ON"... even though it is DAYTIME....

Makes it look like it's Not been touched since Joanna Yeates was last there !!!! But is it true???? Was The outside light on or off????

Greg mentions The hallway light being on.... But Not the outside light as far as I know .!!!!

Ok... Even More Interesting... Is the Light appears to have been turned on at some point.....

(A): Image 1 has the lights on!!!

(B): Image 2 has the lights off...... !!!!


So Someone obviously turned them ON!!!! Was this the second time The Forensic went in or after Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest..... Because again... If it is a time capsule..... The lights should either have been "ON" permanantly...or... "OFF" permanently.... NOT BOTH!!!!!!



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« Reply #186 on: July 02, 2017, 02:41:53 PM »


You see in my mind, although there may be odd things re: the trial, I keep coming back to the point that VT admitted he murdered Joanna and he has had 7years to shout his innocence since then and he hasn't. Also when he gained entry to her flat he knew (IMO) that Greg R would not be disturbing him by coming home.

And you are probably not alone in that Nina....  But prisoners learn to keep their heads down... (IMO)... It has been shown that this is the case.... And as with the "ChildPorn" Charges.... A Case was left on file..... Maybe that is "The Leverage " they need to keep Dr Vincent Tabak silent along with his family.... They don't want to rock the boat.... As British Justice has already demonstrated it's power to them all..... (IMO)...

He plead "Guilty" to Manslaughter" apparently.... But I just don't know ANYMORE to be honest... They said he did.... They said he was appearing in court 1 and COurt 2 of The Old Bailey aT THE SAME TIME AND THE SAME DAY.... BUT THAT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE TRUE EITHER..... COULD IT!!! (IMO)....

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« Reply #187 on: July 02, 2017, 02:47:28 PM »
. Also when he gained entry to her flat he knew (IMO) that Greg R would not be disturbing him by coming home.

Now how could he possibly know that ?????  Who told him????

We have had stories that it was CJ.... we heard from The Defence That it was Joanna Yeates who told him.... But no-one was in court to verify how Dr Vincent Tabak could possibly come about that "VITAL" piece of Information....

So how on God's Green Earth Did They prove how Dr Vincent Tabak Knew That Greg Reardon would be away that weekend... Giving him a supposed opportunity to Kill his next door neighbour .. whom he had never spoken too before??


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« Reply #188 on: July 02, 2017, 03:10:24 PM »
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Practice Summary
Richard Field is an arbitrator accepting appointments in a wide range of commercial arbitrations, both domestic and international.  He was called to the Bar in 1977 and appointed QC in 1987.  He was a High Court judge sitting in the Commercial Court from 2002 to September 2014.  In the years 2008 – 2012 he was a Presiding Judge on the Western Circuit and was appointed Judge In Charge of the Commercial Court in January 2014.

This Is For Judge Richard Field....... "A High Court Judge" Sitting in The Commercial Court from 2002 to 2014!!!!

Followed by....  Ya gonna Love this ......

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The Work

The Commercial Court deals with complex cases arising out of business disputes, both national and international.

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A Commercial Court “Super Court”

There is particular emphasis on:

insurance and reinsurance
banking and financial markets
commodities
shipping
arbitration
The work of the Commercial Court is governed by Part 58 of the Civil Procedure Rules

The Admiralty and Commercial Courts Guide sets out detailed information on how litigation is conducted in the Admiralty and

The guide is regularly updated to reflect rule changes and suggestions for improvement from users. The 2011 edition has been updated five times, in October 2011, March 2012, March 2013, April 2014 and March 2016. Read the summary of changes.

Suggestions for changes to the guide from users are welcomed and can be emailed to the Commercial Court listing office at comct.listing@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk


Did you see that...... There we go again.......

The Commercial Court deals with complex cases arising out of business disputes, both national and international.

THE MAGIC WORDS........... "COMPLEX CASE"!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG......

What has Dr Vincent Tabak's "(Sorry to say it this way..but).... "Simple Murder Case".... Got anything to do with...

(A): The Head Of the Complex Crime Unit

(B): A Judge who basically deal with Complex Crime of a business nature both NATIONAL AND
       INTERNATIONAL..?????

For the love of God someone tell me .... please .... What is going on??????

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/you-and-the-judiciary/going-to-court/high-court/queens-bench-division/courts-of-the-queens-bench-division/commercial-court/about-us/

http://www.oeclaw.co.uk/barristers/profile/the-hon-sir-richard-field

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #189 on: July 02, 2017, 03:20:39 PM »
There is a good chance IMO that VT overheard part of a conversation due to the fact that both bedroom windows were next to each other. Heard through an open window? I would have thought there were a few ways in that flat to overhear the odd thing. A while ago you put up a picture of no.44 where each door and window was labelled, any chance of you putting it up again? You see I don't think that there was a security light on the back of the house, just outside the front door as most of us have.

Why are you talking about daylight security lights when my question was about the kitchen light being on and Joanna being able to see VT outside in the dark? I'm in the middle of cooking sunday lunch, sorry, gotta go and see to my roasties. Will be back though.

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« Reply #190 on: July 02, 2017, 03:29:54 PM »
There is a good chance IMO that VT overheard part of a conversation due to the fact that both bedroom windows were next to each other. Heard through an open window? I would have thought there were a few ways in that flat to overhear the odd thing. A while ago you put up a picture of no.44 where each door and window was labelled, any chance of you putting it up again? You see I don't think that there was a security light on the back of the house, just outside the front door as most of us have.

Why are you talking about daylight security lights when my question was about the kitchen light being on and Joanna being able to see VT outside in the dark? I'm in the middle of cooking sunday lunch, sorry, gotta go and see to my roasties. Will be back though.

I cannot see how Dr Vincent Tabak over heard anything....  Firstly I do Not believe he would have finished work when Greg Left for Sheffield around 5:00pm I believe it says at Trial...  So who would he have over heard it from??? It's apparently blumming cold outside... So No neighbours are hanging around for 1 and 3 quarter hours waiting for Dr Vincent tabak to return , so on the off chance he might overhear a conversation....

You would need the outside light on so that Joanna Yeates could see who walked past her flat.... otherwise she wouldn't be able to see anyone in the dark especially with her kitchen light being on.... And her kitchen light MUST have been on if we believe the Crime Watch depiction on her in her Kitchen !!!!!


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #191 on: July 02, 2017, 04:00:10 PM »
No I don't mean on that particular day, no doubt it would have been mentioned in the week leading up to Greg R leaving. After all Joanna asked him to text her when he reached Sheffield because of the bad weather conditions. Now that presumably would have been part of a conversation.

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« Reply #192 on: July 02, 2017, 04:25:29 PM »
Why wasn't Dr Vincent Tabak seen by a "Recorder" Rather than A High Court Judge who deals with "Complex Crimes"???  For what is essentially "A Simple Murder Case "??????

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Recorders

Recorders are fee-paid, part-time judges. For many it is the first step on the judicial ladder to appointment to the circuit bench. Recorders’ jurisdiction is broadly similar to that of a circuit judge, but they generally handle less complex or serious matters coming before the court.

It is a post open to any fully qualified solicitor or barrister with at least ten years’ practice before the Crown or county courts. They are required to sit for between 15 and 30 days every year with at least one ten-day continuous period. The appointment is for an initial five-year period, extendible for further successive five year terms up to the retirement age of 65.


Now I might have found something else that has distracted me....  Namely what Does a High Court Judge

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High Court judges are sometimes known as “red judges” because of their colourful robes, but their dress codes are actually more complex than that.

Red robes are usually worn only by judges dealing with criminal cases.

High Court judges presiding over civil cases wear the civil robe introduced on 1 October 2008, with red tabs at the neck of the gown and no wig.

Judges hearing Family Division cases in Chambers do not wear court dress.

High Court judges sitting in the criminal division of the Court of Appeal wear a black silk gown and a short wig.

On Red Letter Days, which include the sovereign’s birthday and certain saints’ days, all High Court judges wear a scarlet robe.


But ...

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Circuit Judges

Circuit JudgeBands worn over a violet robe and a short wig.

When hearing criminal cases, circuit judges wear a red tippet (sash) over the left shoulder.

When dealing with civil business, circuit judges dress as in criminal cases, but with a lilac tippet and without a wig or bands, wing collar or collarette.

On some occasions – when dealing with certain types of High Court business, or when sitting at the Central Criminal Court (Old Bailey) in London – circuit judges wear a short wig and black silk gown over a court coat and/or waistcoat.


Now I thought Justice Field was A Circuit Judge????

And when Justice Field appeared at the Old Bailey he wore his Red Robes as depicted by the Court appointed Artist....

Shouldn't he have been in BLACK????? At The Old Bailey????? (Image 1)

And violet Robes at Bristol Crown Court.. (Image 2) ???



https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/about-the-judiciary/who-are-the-judiciary/court-dress/examples/

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/about-the-judiciary/the-justice-system/jurisdictions/criminal-jurisdiction/

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #193 on: July 02, 2017, 04:33:14 PM »
OK a couple of questions for you Nine.

1.  Why have you still not given me your opinion on the lighting?
2.  Why are you and some other posters making VT out to be a liar? Whatever he has said it seems like you go all out to prove the opposite. To a certain extent I do believe the man, but always remember this is a story with only one person telling it.

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« Reply #194 on: July 02, 2017, 04:47:07 PM »
OK a couple of questions for you Nine.

1.  Why have you still not given me your opinion on the lighting?
2.  Why are you and some other posters making VT out to be a liar? Whatever he has said it seems like you go all out to prove the opposite. To a certain extent I do believe the man, but always remember this is a story with only one person telling it.


I do not believe that the outside light was on... Therefore Joanna Yeates could not see anyone out side....

I believe that Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent... Unless someone can prove to me otherwise... And not the Circus they called a trial....

As for only one person telling it.... Yes... words did come out of the mouth of Dr Vincent Tabak...... Question being..... who told him to say those words ????


You may see it that some posters are making Dr Vincent Tabak out to be a liar... but that is not quite accurate... I personally believe He kept to a story he was coached to say.... (IMO)... And once 'The Plea had been entered... His Goose was proverbally Cooked!!!!