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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1245 on: January 08, 2018, 09:54:36 AM »
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"From a distance he saw features that indicated that a human body was buried in the snow ... a patch of skin and some denim."

Mr Lickley added: "The missing person inquiry that had commenced became a murder inquiry from that moment."

Now that is a strange statement from Mr Lickley.... Why was it from the moment that The Birches discovered a body that it had become a "Murder Inquiry"??

We know that they were treating this from the 20th December as fowl play... As they had already started taking items from the Flat...

There had to be some information that they had been told, that made them say that it was a "Murder Inquiry" The minute her body had been discovered !

Whom had they Interviewed at this point?? Amongst the statements that the Police had in their possession by the 25th December 2010, The person who killed her had to be amongst those statements...(imo)...

They only had statements to go by.. They knew what they did or her movements.. But to say that this is a "Murder Inquiry" as soon as she was found, suggest that someone gave them a statement about Joanna yeates that didn't ring true.... (imo)

This cannot be Dr Vincent Tabak (imo).. Because you are not going to jump from a neighbour, who states he never saw Joanna Yeates that evening to him having Murdered her.... There would be no connection to the two events....

So there must have been Information in there possession that showed someone had lied.... And therefore they Knew that she had been "Murdered" when they found her....

So what could be in the statement....  And who's is it!!!

Edit... I say it has to be a statement..... If they had information that it had been an accident, then the fact that her body had been discovered buried, would lend them to believe that it was deliberate, therefore Mr Lickley stating from the moment the body was discovered, it had become a Murder Inquiry.... The Police had to have in their possession Information that claimed an accident had happened...
And we didn't know about any accident until trial....!!


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8817687/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Joanna-Yeates-then-sent-text-saying-he-was-bored-court-hears.html

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1246 on: January 09, 2018, 09:33:58 AM »
BDP.... And Buro Happold, apparently never the twain shall meet, yet that has to be an untrue statement....

 Buro Happold and BDP work together on many Projects... and have done for some Years...

Buro Happold are listed as one of BDP's clients:
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CLIENTS
CONSULTANT
Bilfinger GVA, England, London
BLP, England, London
Buro Happold, England, London
Burofour, England, London
Carter Jonas, England, London
CBRE, England, London
Cushman Wakefield, England, London
David Chipperfield Architects, England, London
Deloitte LLP, England, London

So what is the likelyhood that Dr Vincent Tabak and Joanna yeates actually came into contact through there work?? Highly likely I would say... These two companies are connected and all of the imagery points to there connection...

The Harbourside Centre for the arts" (Concert Hall)... A Buro Happold project in Bristol...

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1pz7AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=Buro+Happold+bristol+harbourside&source=bl&ots=cA3tqYug-f&sig=cBje3RFhGF5_ayEXmhP-4zA-RK8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQuMKlxMrYAhUKBsAKHXOtAcgQ6AEIVTAH#v=onepage&q=Buro%20Happold%20bristol%20harbourside&f=false

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Although the parties involved were all satisfied with the scheme, it could not have proceeded without the £58 million of lottery funding towards the £89 Million needed for construction. In July 1998, after two years of work by the architects, the final year which involved Buro Happold structral engineers,max Fordham environment engineers,BBM Muller acoustic engineers,Theatre project consultants who carried out sight line analysis, and other specialist, The Arts Council Panel turned down the £58 Million Lottery application...

Again Coincidence cannot be ignored.. This project wanted lottery funding, and If i am not mistaken Greg Reardon apparently wished he had won the "Lottery" Instead of the misfortune that had come into his life...

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He "cursed the probability of the situation" and said: "Why couldn't we win the lottery instead? It's probably just as feasible as getting murdered by your next-door neighbour."

Now why did we have this information made available during The Joanna Yeates Inquiry, when Dr Vincent Tabak would not have been aware of any Lottery Application or Buro happolds involvement with this project,... Yet everyone and his dog are all pointing to..

(A): The Harbourside

(B): Buro Happold

(C): The Lottery

Even The Pitcher and Piano is at "The Harbourside, were apparently Dr Vincent Tabak spent an evening...

Maybe we need to ask the questions what does

(1) Buro Happold

(2) The Harbourside Bristol

(3) Joanna Yeates

(4) The Lottery

(5) BDP

All have in common?? There has to be a link... And I don't believe the link is Dr Vincent Tabak!



http://www.bdp.com/en/sectors/urbanism/clients/

http://www.bdp.com/en/latest/news/2005/bdp-selected-to-design-yorkshire-hospitals/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/14/joanna-yeates-boyfriend-talks-sun

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BDP SELECTED TO DESIGN YORKSHIRE HOSPITALS
24/04/2008
Mid-Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust has selected Consort Healthcare as their preferred bidder to replace the existing Pinderfields General Hospital and Pontefract General Infirmary under a £250M PPP project. The new hospitals are set to deliver a new step-change in patient-environment driven design.

Building Design Partnership are the lead architects, interior designers and landscape architects working in conjunction with Avanti Architects for the Balfour Beatty, Haden Young and Gleeson joint venture.

BDP will be responsible for the design of the new 90,000m2 acute hospital on the Pinderfields site on the edge of Wakefield, while Avanti are architects for the 20,000 m2 diagnostic and treatment centre at Pontefract.

Tim Wilkins, BDP Project Director, said of the announcement:
"This is excellent news for BDP, Avanti and the Balfour Beatty joint venture, who worked in close partnership on this winning bid.

"Our designs built on the innovative and inspiring design brief prepared by the Trust and their advisors, including the Prince's Foundation. Both projects focus on the patient and staff environment utilising shallow plan space and courtyards to deliver daylight and views to all occupied rooms.  Our primary aim has been to put people at the heart of our design process and provide a world-class environment for patients, staff and visitors."

At Pinderfields the new build acute hospital will comprise a pair of in-patient hotels, a women's and children's centre, rehabilitation institute, an acute services building and a diagnostic and treatment centre.  Pontefract will provide, A&E, inpatient rehabilitation and maternity services along with an outpatient based diagnostic and treatment centre.

It is expected that the new Pontefract Hospital will open in 2008/9 and that the new Pinderfields Hospital will open in 2009/10.

Other members of the design team include clinical strategists Rawlinson Kelly Whittlestone, civil & structural engineers White Young Green and M&E engineers Buro Happold.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1247 on: January 15, 2018, 09:11:46 PM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg435140#msg435140


Think I said something along those lines...... 'Stop the Clock"  Interviewing outside Police Station....!!

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It reminded me about a similar conversation I had with another officer some years ago. ‘Why is it so quiet?’ I asked.  He laughed and said ‘because we have found a loophole that avoids having solicitors. We don’t need to call you if we interview ‘off station’. Nothing you can do about it’ .

http://thejusticegap.com/2018/01/keep-investing-failure/
First published on January 15, 2018

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case/ Sally Ramage
« Reply #1248 on: January 16, 2018, 10:20:54 PM »


Throughout the whole time i have looked at this case, I have used Information from the media and The "Sally Ramage Papers..."

These papers hold information that would not have been available if "Sally Ramage hadn't published these pages over a few years....

"Sally Ramage: as we know is

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Sally Ramage is more than qualified... Yet... And it has been pointed out before... There are many errors within the pages about Dr Vincent Tabak....

And as i am not the sharpest tool in the box it has taken a while for it to eventually twig......

Examples of errors:

From: https://philarchive.org/archive/RAMTMT-4

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Joanna Yeates was a 25 year old woman who was murdered on 15 December 2010. Her body was
discovered on 26 December 2010 and on 23 January 2011 her next door neighbour Dr Vincent
Tabak, a highly qualified Dutch architectural engineer (working in Bath, England, United Kingdom)
was arrested and charged with her murder.

15th December 2010... (we know it was 17th December 2010)

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Miss Yeates and Mr Reardon had recently moved into the next-door Apartment 1 in November
2010. During the time between Joanna Yeates move to 44 Canynge Road and the day before her
disappearance, Dr Tabak was out of the country, working in Los Angeles, United States (US).

October 2011 was when they moved into Canygne Road... It says that Dr Vincent Tabak was out of the country the day before Joanna Yeates disappeared.....

Now either Sally Ramage has seen evidence to prove that Dr Vincent Tabak was out of the country, the day before when Joanna Yeates went missing, or this is another deliberate mistake...

When looking through the 2 different papers that I have linked, it is littered with errors..... Now there very well may be many legal errors within these papers, but as i am not legally minded, I don't know what has been quoted in these papers is correct or not....

I have just given a few examples... And at one point I felt disheartened when I knew that I had heavily relied upon Sally Ramages papers for many arguments.... But I had also spent many hours sifting through video's and images which also backed up what I had said....

But I want to go back to Sally Ramage.... She is highly regarded in her field... She write books and legal journals... many people reference her work... And suddenly out of nowhere... Sally Ramage, appears to have the capability of someone who has no education... Someone who doesn't know how to correct any errors...

You are not telling me that her work doesn't get proof read... I am the sort of person who may make errors when I loose concentration.... But I do not believe that Sally Ramage is... I believe as a highly educated person who is in the legal field, she knows exactly what she is doing....

And what i concluded was.... Her errors were deliberate... who is ever going to question what is held between those pages... Who ever is going to question them???

Certainly no-one in the legal field....  Why has the publication of the papers on Dr Vincent Tabak's trial never harmed Sally Ramages reputation?
I mean in the sense of errors that are clear to see, error I know are there and so do many many people....

Sally Ramages writes legal material:

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Sally Ramage
 
Chief EDITOR: Criminal Lawyer; Current Criminal Law; STATUTE ANNOTATER ; CORPORATE CRIME LAW WRITER; TM UK, US, INDIA.
Bloomsbury Professional   LLM, University of Staffordshire

Why has NO-ONE ever publicly called her out on her errors within the document that is from the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak???

That brings an even deeper more troubling question... What was Joanna Yeates trial really about ??  Dr Vincent Tabak did not kill her (imo)..  With all of the evidence of a staged Flat .. a media playing along with the narrative that is supposed to be the reasoning Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates....

Yet no-one says anything... not even when Sally Ramage deliberately..(imo) makes errors within her publication...

The all fall silent... They all stay quiet.. Not one person ever speaking up to point out that, Sally Ramages document is incorrect in parts... Or maybe most of it is... i do not know... But it is rather revealing that no-one questions, Sally Ramages ability to Edit her own document , when she is an editor.... It's almost laughable if it wasn't so serious....

And by that I do not mean anything against Sally Ramage...

So what is so secretive that no-one is willing to talk about The Joanna Yeates case or Dr Vincent Tabak... what is so secretive, that Sally Ramage, can make endless errors in her publication and no-one utters a thing about it....

What is so secretive that we had a Placid Dutchman sat at trial not making any sense in his tall tale of what took place... 

You see the question really should still be ... Who killed Joanna Yeates??  As there has been many extremes that have been gone to to put away the Dutchman, and brush the rest under the carpet... The media for example, will not answer a direct question about Dr Vincent Tabak... CJ too has been silenced.. Now the reason for that cannot be because of a simple murder committed by a Dutchman...

What has been covered up?? And why did the whole media go along with it...??

I still stand by Dr Vincent Tabak being Innocent... But the real question must be ....

Why? Who? or What? was so important, that they fooled the nation into believing a story told at trial.. A story that doesn't make sense... And didn't follow many protocols, that were visible for us to see?

And whilst this was all going on... NOT ONE Media outlet ever questioned the validity of this trial or the procedures that took place...

All i knew when I started this, was that I believed Dr Vincent Tabak was Innocent and believed that his Defence helped bury him and i couldn't understand why... I just like fair... Well something is massively unfair in the whole of this charade....

And it's about time more people started to question what really happened to Joanna Yeates... And not the falsehoods we have been told...

Someone whom was in the middle of this Inquiry needs to be honest enough to start the ball rolling.. And give the public the truth of what is known... And that applies to the media to... Or maybe you all signed an agreement with Avon and Somerset Police to stick with their tale.... Because I cannot understand why you all kept quite and are still keeping quiet...

What will it take for "The Real Truth" about Joanna Yeates Murder to be made public?? And i do not fancy waiting until Dr Vincent Tabak has finished his sentence either... I think it needs to be addressed sooner...

So who has the ability to get this ball rolling and who dares too??  because it appears to me people are afraid to speak out about this case... And I do not understand why????

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

https://philarchive.org/archive/RAMTMT-4

https://www.linkedin.com/in/criminallawyer1/

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1249 on: January 17, 2018, 10:58:43 PM »
An Interesting quote from a forum member at webslueths..

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05-04-2011 06:57 PM
I think he will plead not guilty. Also i hope he does, purely for selfish reasons as i really want to know the circumstances of that night... it is intriguing. Poor Jo, whatever the outcome.

if he pleads guilty, and chooses never to confess or make any admissions, does that mean we never get to hear what evidence the police had against him?

What evidence did we ever get to hear that the Police had against Dr Vincent Tabak??

* Partial DNA
* Evidence of shopping
* Evidence of what else?? Nothing Evidence of Nothing...

No Forensic Evidence putting him at the crime scene...
No sobbing girl evidence...
No CCTV of him driving to and from ASDA
No CCTV of him driving to Longwood Lane
No witness's putting him at the scene of the crime
No girlfriend to support or deny anything Dr Vincent Tabak said...
No Character Evidence good/bad
No Gps readings of him being on Longwood Lane

Nothing they had apparently arrested him with appeared at court... He just made the story up as he went along apparently... So if the "Prosecution" didn't know what he was going to say... How could they have any evidence to put him at the scene of the crime or on Longwood lane??


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?129675-UK-Joanna-Yeates-25-Clifton-Bristol-17-December-2010-13/page21&styleid=21


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« Reply #1250 on: January 18, 2018, 08:24:50 AM »
Whilst searching R v Tabak I came across Dean Armstrong at Bedford Row...
For such a high profile case he has little to say on the subject!

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William Clegg QC led then junior counsel Dean Armstrong, on behalf of the defendant accused of murdering Joanna Yeates who went missing following an evening out with colleagues. Suspicion initially and erroneously fell on her landlord before police finally arrested Tabak who was living in her neighbouring flat.

Category: Cases | Date: October 2011

Why even mention 'The Landlord"??? 

Isn't this supposed to be the biggest case in Dean Armstrongs career... ? It was so high profiled..  And it's just skimmed over!

Edit... Every time I put Tabak in the search on their website... It takes me back to that small mention that I have just quoted... I thought I might have at least landed on Cleggs page , but NO..!!

I checked the archive for October 2011 and again, there is that tiny paragraph about this highly publicised case...

Is he trying to distance himself from it???  Think Clegg's chucked the hot potato!

Oy Dean... "Catch"!


https://www.2bedfordrow.co.uk/r-v-tabak/

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1251 on: January 18, 2018, 08:57:47 AM »
William Clegg...  Now this quote is from a different Case, But one William Clegg acted upon... A very Interesting statement.....

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William Clegg QC appeared on behalf of Leslie Huggins who was granted special leave to appeal his conviction in Trinidad on the grounds that prejudicial comments made by a prosecuting counsel in his closing speech rendered the trial unfair.


Now William... lets remind ourselves what "YOU" said about "YOUR" own "CLIENT"...

1:  his conduct after Yeates died when he hid the body was “frankly disgusting” and had caused untold anguish and agony to her family.

2:  “I’m not going to ask you to like Vincent Tabak. There’s probably nothing to like.”

3:   And Miss Morson seems to agree, having failed to make a single  appearance at court.

4:  He had told “lie after lie to the police.

5: “did everything he could to cover his tracks”.

6: He added that he would not try to justify Tabak’s actions after her death, saying his client was “living a lie” by attending dinner parties and attempting to carry on his life as normal.

7:  “I’m not going to ask you to have any sympathy for him. He deserves none.

8: “I’m not going to ask you to excuse his conduct. There can be no excuse.

9: “If I was to set out to win a popularity contest I would lose.

10: He told the court: “Of course, afterwards his behaviour is utterly disgraceful. It’s not going to be justified by me


Now if that isn't prejudicial comments made by "The Defence" I don't know what is....

William... let me get this right.... Comments like the ones that you yourself made at trial are 'Prejudicial"... Are you admitting to everyone , that Dr Vincent Tabak didn't receive a FAIR TRAIL?????

https://www.2bedfordrow.co.uk/privy-council/

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1252 on: January 19, 2018, 08:40:51 AM »

Is this a telling statement by Rupert Evelyn??

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Sadly, can't help but think the only people who came out of #joyeates murder with dignity entirely intact were those who loved her.

12:49 PM - 10 Dec 2014


https://twitter.com/rupertevelyn/status/542783265862860800

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1253 on: January 19, 2018, 08:47:50 AM »
Did Joanna yeates "BOOTS" ever get brought to trial???

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Def: Missing sock #JoYeates? She may have taken it off because she had a hole in her boot.

5:38 AM - 25 Oct 2011


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1254 on: January 19, 2018, 09:08:56 AM »
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He claims he spoke to Chris Jefferies on that night - before he killed Jo. #joyeates

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Tabak says he spoke to Christopher Jefferies when he came back from his walk. They may have discussed mildew in his flat. #joyeates

6:54 AM - 20 Oct 2011


When it was claimed that Dr Vincent Tabak was trying to incriminate CJ about the car changing position, we have here a statement claiming Dr Vincent Tabak saw CJ that evening..

So when CJ went to the GYM.. And returned... It is very likely his car was in a different position to that which it had been early on in the evening when Dr Vincent Tabak went for a walk..

Why didn't the defence pick up on this obvious answer??

Still don't understand why CJ was never in court??
The only answer i can come up with... Is CJ isn't Dr Vincent Tabak's landlord!


https://twitter.com/KirstyGardner/status/127019871962791936

https://twitter.com/SWNS/status/127020239845195776

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« Reply #1255 on: January 19, 2018, 09:19:11 AM »

Interesting tweet from SWNS news...

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Tabak: "She indicated somehow through the front door" can't remember how though. He's just demonstrated her wave to the court #joyeates

4:30 AM - 20 Oct 2011

Now does this add to the fact that I believe that Joanna Yeates lived in the entire ground Floor... ?? The door around the back of the building were they lead us to believe Dr Vincent Tabak lived, had glass panels..

Because there is no way.. by waving through the door of Flat 1 he would have been seen... The only way to indicated anything through that door, would be to use the Intercom.


https://twitter.com/SWNS/status/126983501751914496


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« Reply #1256 on: January 19, 2018, 09:25:40 AM »
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Tabak: "I was trying to get to Bristol Explore but I was more thinking of everything that had happened, what I had done." #joyeates

3:40 AM - 20 Oct 2011

What is "Bristol Explore"??


https://twitter.com/SWNS/status/126971026138607616

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1257 on: January 19, 2018, 09:33:35 AM »
I wonder what the British press wanted to know from Paul Vemeij??

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british press calls for info ( i do not have) from around Eindhoven/NL #vincent #tabak #JoYeates

2:12 AM - 20 Oct 2011 from Breda, Nederland


https://twitter.com/paulvermeij/status/126948836081012736

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1258 on: January 19, 2018, 09:54:31 AM »
Paul Vermeij ...  When did he stop representing Dr Vincent Tabak ?? Thought he was Dr Vincent Tabak's PR man??

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Vincent T's family has decided to no longer give any comments at all.
Statements will be made by his solicitor Ian Kelcey #vincent
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1:20 AM - 5 May 2011

He was retweeting the trial...  images attached..


https://twitter.com/paulvermeij/status/66054669461495808

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #1259 on: January 19, 2018, 10:00:14 AM »

How did Paul Vermeji start to represent Dr Vincent Tabak before his first appearance at court?? How comes he was even contacted?? Quite honestly it could have been thrown out... Evidence they used against Dr Vincent Tabak to charge him was never brought to trial??




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Family Vincent T. believes in innocence
PRINSENBEEK - The family of Vincent T., suspected of murdering Joanna Yeates in England, is convinced of his innocence. The family let that know via Paul Vermeij, the spokesman who was hired. The family, who has 'full confidence' in the good result, says that they are very happy with the relatives of the victim.

The family was besieged this weekend by mainly British press and therefore the professional spokesperson. "The family is obviously very affected," he reports. Through him the relatives of the murder suspect make an 'urgent appeal' to the press to keep their distance.

Media spectacle On
Monday, Vincent T. is brought before a judge in Bristol. According to the reporter of the NOS in England Arjen van der Horst, the press will not keep it at bay. "It will be a great media spectacle in the best British tradition", predicts Van der Horst. "This case is intriguing, especially the British scandal press, which has been pleading for the past few weeks and even today we saw the picture of the suspect on the front page"

Overwhelming power
It is the sudden media attention that the family spokesman Vermeij has taken on. "The family is totally unexpectedly confronted with many journalists who try to speak to the family at any time of the day," Vermeij spokesperson told Omroep Brabant. "Apart from the emotion that is associated with the fact that a family member is suspected of murder, which is already a shocking experience, the media is also acting with overwhelming force."

The case
The 32-year-old T. is accused in Bristol of the murderon his 25-year-old neighbor Yeates. The woman disappeared on 17 December. Her body was found strangled on Christmas road a few miles from her home in Bristol on Christmas Day.

Publication: Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 5:47 PM
Author: Nick Renders

http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/1493821003/Familie%20Vincent%20T.%20gelooft%20in%20onschuld.aspx