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Offline Simple Simon

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3090 on: December 06, 2018, 10:09:09 AM »
Tabak* was a good foot taller than Jo Yeates, and of course more muscular and heavily built, so not surprising that she suffered 43 injuries to various parts of her body, including 12 to head and neck, 2 to her trunk, 21 to her arms and 4 to her legs, many of which were probably bruises. If she was wrestled to the floor first and Tabak straddled her chest / abdomen, then he would have had little problem pinning down both her arms with his knees whilst inflicting punching injuries to her face and eventually strangling her. If he was medically examined for injuries at all, then it was only weeks later after being arrested, by which time any bruising and / or lacerations would have disappeared.

Myster.... As I stated I do not know who Dr Vincent Tabak is..... I do not know if he had an alternative name.... I know nothing of him.. But I do know that what too place back then didn't add up... And doesn't add up today...

The description there sounds like what a Police Officer or someone who has had training of that type could do... But it is not in that article.... That article and several like it has always concerned me.... Why after all this time has Joanna Yeates not received a headstone??

This is the only year that the article hasn't been written....  But the description you have given, says that Joanna Yeates sustained a violent attack.... But it originally was nothing significant... As DCI Phil Jones stated on the Police Conference...

I try settle things in my mind.... And I try to understand who is who..... 

For instance... Leonora.... sounds female, but is male apparently....  The names on the Missing group sounded similar to the names on the forum..... So did they swop gender?

Is that what has happened... I did say earlier I thought a woman could have killed Joanna Yeates.... Which woman I couldn't say....

So if I apply my idea to the forum, everyone switched names and gender.....  apart from me of course...

Therefore was it Tanja that set up the forum?? Was it Tanja who would be in great trouble for interfering with the case?

Was it the family/friends of Joanna Yeates who set up the forum?? I don't know... But it put out lots of information..

Which forum/group was which??

Thinking about it, a lot of the information that the media wrote, I saw on the forum.... I didn't check closely at the time... I didn't think I needed too.... Well to be honest, I didn't think anything was untoward in the very beginning....

Only as time went on did I wonder what happened.... It didn't make sense... As at trial I expected witnesses to be there, and couldn't understand why the story told on the stand, was what had appeared in the media.... Nothing more....

Who knew what... I mean the Police?? Who knew about each group/forum?? 

Is that what this is about... Dr Vincent Tabak made the forum... or Tanja pretending to be Dr Vincent Tabak.... It sounds confusing... But I have to question everything.....

Is the reason Dr Vincent Tabak made a plea was because Tanja would have been in great trouble for the forum? And wanted to protect her, so said he had killed Joanna Yeates, or pled guilty to Manslaughter at his interview??

If AH is correct, that a plead would stop this Investigation in its tracks, then that could be a reason....

Or did someone ask him to plead guilty.... And it wasn't until trial that he saw the full horror of what had taken place with regards the injuries to Joanna Yeates and that was why he apologised...

I never know what is real or not.... The amount of information is confusing, but I suppose it is meant to be confusing....

Did the family or friends of Joanna Yeates set up both facebook groups/forums?? Or was it people who had lived at that address before who set it up?

The house had to be the reason, the Police never left it.... You don't conduct a Murder investigation just at one location.....

I am thinking Longwood Lane at the moment.... And when it was first mentioned.... If the forum was a group that was what the appeal had been set up for, then I am now coming to an idea....

Ok... everyone is chatting on the forum/group... for how long this forum/ group has been around I do not know.... But I am coming to an idea... A conclusion as to where the information came from....

Had the talk of Longwood lane and a party been mentioned on that forum/group that is on the poster of Joanna Yeates Missing??

Was the original web address, the event ./gathering/party, that was being attended by at least 167 people?

Was that event supposed to be on Longwood Lane??

Did Joanna Yeates actually attend the event? Did she end up on Longwood Lane because, she was supposed to be at a party somewhere... Is Longwood Lane The first scene of Crime??

Was she over the wall.... is that why they needed the fire services assistance, Was she hidden somewhere in the quarry site?

And then her belongings were therefore returned to Canygne Road so as to make it appear that she had gone home...

But the private CCTV doesn't show her upon it....

Had whoever killed her just gathered her things and accidently picked up the receipt?? Or did they not realise that she had been in Tescos....

Everything appears to be the opposite of what is what....

No forced entry..... Well maybe there was..... No sexual assault... maybe that happened too..... No significant Injuries.... Well if the description Myster has given is anything to go by then she was beaten to a pulp....

Stranger killed her.....  that has to be someone who knew her.....

I keep coming back to who is Dr Vincent Tabak?? Did he even live at that address?? Does he exist?? Maybe he did I have no idea... But something about him doesn't add up either....

Did Dr Vincent Tabak have his named changed? is he known by another name?? Is he in prison or did he walk free??

Is he a he or a she??

Did Joanna Yeates get killed by accident, or did someone else get killed by accident.... Was it Tanja that was killed?? Is that why she didn't attend court.....

Everything is the opposite way around.... So trying to untangle it is difficult.....

Now if it was Tanja that this happened to, was that why Dr Vincent Tabak went straight home by the 19th December 2010??

This could be pie in the sky....

Or has a full blown Murder investigation happened when there wasn't a Murder??

Are the people in the video actually the Yeates family? I don't know... I do not know who is who to be honest....

They say that Dr Vincent Tabak towered over Joanna Yeates.... So if i think the opposite, the person was shorter....

They say male... If I think the opposite, it has to be female......  They say a stranger.... So the opposite is a family member or friend....

They say no sexual assault.... So there has to have been..... No forced entry.... someone barged there way in....


The blind was up all the time... the blind was down.....

The picture in my mind that I am getting, is that Joanna Yeates was killed by someone she knew.... She was killed by a female, who had barged there way into the Flat or house , Or it happened in a car, was she dragged int o a car?? Has she stormed off after an argument??

They maybe argued with her, attacked her , subdued her by grabbing her at the right point on her neck.... Held her till she was dead... Then made it look like a sexual assault... The ikea blanket that Dr Sheridan tested, was maybe from a car, that was in the back seat or boot, maybe she was then put into the boot of the car, I do not know, or transported else where.... 

Did Joanna Yeates have a girlfriend?? I have often wondered this? I maybe be wrong, but it has crossed my mind more than once....

See I go around in circles.... Forever in circles, because there is so many possibilities with this still...

The scenario would then be... Joanna Yeates was killed by a girlfriend, who was jealous and Joanna Yeates relationship with this girlfriend, wasn't great... They were jealous of her, they were controlling, they tried to make it look like an abduction , to buy themselves time.... They even tried to make it look like she was sexually assaulted...

They had help... and either hide Joanna Yeates body inside the quarry, or they kept her in a freezer, or maybe she was found a lot sooner, and the Police just held on to her....

The scenarios are endless.....  But did Joanna Yeates just die? Had she been ill??  Did someone make a mount out of a mole hill??

I couldn't say.... I always think I am getting somewhere, then there's a stumbling block....

The facebook group were set up to confuse... I believe that is true.... well one of them at the very least.....


Did Dr Vincent Tabak make the Missing group? I don't know... there is definitely something off with both the forum and the group, I just cannot say... I don't know.....

Was that his crime??

He made on either the forum or the group, giving information out that was contradictory, messing with this Investigation....

So is Dr Vincent Tabak related to Joanna Yeates? I don't know that ether....

All I can say for sure... Is I believe that what happened at trial that was reported, was only what had already been released either via the papers or the Facebook group/forum and twitter.... What really took place at crown Court I have no idea....

Dr Vincent Tabak may have even been in another country and this was done via video link.... I can't say... he could have actually walked free.... I don't know that either....

I am constantly flummoxed by the disinformation.... So have I been trying to get people to look at this to free a man that is free?? Or a woman that is free?? I have no idea....

Just like I have no idea if a crime took place, or a violent crime took place, or if it is all make believe.... No idea at all....

But I believe that I have discovered that the web address on the Missing Poster is the forum....  As I realised when I was searching for this site this morning and looked up at the address...

Below is this sites forum:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=mt2830ppa0ia4kjpmccongq0e4&topic=8060.3075

And here: https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=169097479794933 (must be the facebook forum)

The web address that is not working now , but appeared on the Missing Poster and on the channel 4 bulletin....

So maybe I have solved one puzzle at least....  But I still do not know who made the forum.... I still do not know if it was from that webpage  that the event had taken place, because to be honest... I didn't search every post on the forum.... Just like on here, I stick with this topic.... So other information could have been on the forum....

But one thing that has popped into my head is the window cleaner.... The window cleaner that cleaned windows at that address.... He commented on the forum I believe.... And I'm sure neighbour etc... people who lives around there also did....

So the forum had to be set up before.... It had to be called something else.... And probably certain topics were removed.... It had to be a locally based forum, where residents or some residents made comments.... I actually cannot remember how many people were members of that forum... I didn't take any notice..... Or when it was set up....

All of the information that is out there could be false.....  And that is why I keep coming across staging of things....

I still do not understand or know what this case is about.... I just knew it didn't make sense.... And that is why i  have found myself here....

Or is here the original forum that was transferred??

What is here?? I have never been able to work that one out.... Was the original facebook forum about local murders etc?? Or Murders in general.... I am thinking on my feet....

Am I back from where I started?? Is this an updated version of the forum?... So who have I been talking too??

Or have I completely lost the plot??  And I am sure someone will comment on that....

Is that why i have joined twice... Just like the forum I was on about the case?? And no-one will say anything about it because they have already said it on the forum.... Therefore the gagging order was about The Forum and thats why no-one will speak....

But refers to all of the original media coverage instead.... maybe the word 'facebook" was in the title of the gagging order, but this isn't facebook....

And no-one except me talks about what happened, and I have been allowed to talk to myself, virtually forever...

I have no idea who is who or what.... But what is stated when someone disagrees i believe has to be what was stated at the time on either the forum or the group....

But does it get me any closer to an answer?? I do not know...

So mrswah saying she wasn't sure whether Dr Vincent Tabak was guilty or not may be true, in the sense of what his involvement actually was.... If the information in the forum/group was there to confuse everyone...

So the connection is the forum, if I am correct... But other than that I cannot say.....  My mind changes on a regular basis.....


I still don't know what to believe anymore... Is the staring me in the face, that this is the forum?

I can't say.... But it's just an idea like all of my other ideas.....

I don't know why i bother.... I go around and around and around.....

« Last Edit: December 06, 2018, 10:22:15 AM by Nine »
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3091 on: December 06, 2018, 12:16:56 PM »
Why after all this time has Joanna Yeates not received a headstone??  Here's why... https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/872390/jo-yeates-mother-teresa-lay-headstone-grave-seven-years

Is he in prison or did he walk free??  In Wakefield keeping Bamber company at the last count.

Is he a he or a she??  LOL!!!!!

Or have I completely lost the plot??  And I am sure someone will comment on that....  ABSOLUTELY!

I don't know why i bother.... I go around and around and around..... like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel, never ending, etc, etc, etc...

Strokes of a genius... https://youtu.be/sVGpQPhd4xM?t=457

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3092 on: December 06, 2018, 12:30:02 PM »
I don't know why i bother.... I go around and around and around..... like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel, never ending, etc, etc, etc...


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Exactly Myster... It is all in my head... that is all.... I see that now.... I was just about to post... and I will after this....  My chasing Windmills... Is me... Chasing myself....   8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Oh well... At least I learnt something about myself.....

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3093 on: December 06, 2018, 12:35:38 PM »
I have been on here far too long.... I write and for what reason?? I think that something happened, but i do not even know that either....

Facebook/ Twitter/ forums.... I do not know who is behind the usernames... I am not supposed to.... I am not asking either...

This whole case that I have spent all this time posting about is what?? True?? False??  Fake news??

I am no expert on anything , which i have proved time and time again...  I have looked at this and today i cannot say why anymore....

I know what I thought, but if everything on the net about this case is from fake news then i am following an imaginary person around....

Twitter, where you can change your name at the drop of a hat.... You can change location, time zone, language, anything.....  So the information on there could have been put there at anytime... i cannot say I do not know.... You cannot rely on twitter, as a form of information to be honest.... maybe look at jokes on there, but thats about it.....

The origin, I have said all along.... I haven't a clue.... I have come up with theories and scenario's based on what information is available... But if that information is fake, then I have just been making more fake news....

The people identified in the media, at trial or in Canygne Road or even Longwood lane..... Well I only know who they are because I have been told on the net in one form or another..... I do not know for a fact that what has been stated is true....

William Clegg for instance.... Yes he may have gone into Bristol Crown Court, but for what reason??? I am only being told that it is the case against Dr vincent Tabak, and the book that he has written apparently is written by a ghost writer.....

Thousands upon thousand of pieces of information, that everyone on twitter has retweeted or tweeted about... The same with facebook..... All of it could be complete crap.....

I do not or cannot remember whether or not I watch reports on the TV, or was it just via the net???

The stories in the media these days I don't know whether to believe half the time.... i don't really bother with newspapers or news reports anymore, and may only know what is happening because I am listening to the radio.... But are those reports accurate and true....

I know NOTHING..... I KNOW NOTHING.... And that is the point.... I have helped create even more crap.... I do not know what is true or not anymore, and am at the point of do I care.....

I have allowed myself to be come obsessed with this... but obsessed with what??  Fake news... untruths spread via social media....  Believing opinions of people I know nothing about..... Why, why would I do that....

I cannot say.... I have been hoodwinked.... by my own doing I admit... nobody made me write on here.... All of the contradictory information is what?? More fake News??

One thing I could say from this that could be of use somewhere... Is social media and courts.... That the origin of the social media communications, needs to be established, the IP address that it was sent from, who sent it, what was the date , time and location or country of origin.....

That would be extremely difficult to do..... Not understanding the full exchange between people and in what context this exchange take form, is also important.....

I was thinking about when woman say that they were raped... Then evidence of texts apparently proves it isn't so, because someone consented apparently....  But woman who have been married for years have been raped, they may have consented at one point, but after No... they may have sent a text that makes it appear that they have consented.... So are texts etc.... social media proof or evidence of something taking place??

Not always... Social media based evidence like other evidence is open to interpretation.... And what the person reading such information is maybe feeling themselves at the time, or their beliefs etc....

So my lesson learnt.... Keep of the net.... just look for recipes.... Jokes, inane rubbish, do not believe what you read? maybe read a book.... maybe take up a hobby.... or just play a computer game....

I apologise for adding to all the information out there.... It might as well be removed.... It means nothing (imo) if it is all a lie that I chose for an odd reason to believe.....

As I say.... I know none of you... i know no-one who is connected to the case.... i know no-one who is on twitter either.... They could be made up accounts for all I know, collecting followers so that they support what ever cause they believe in and say what ever they want, and people believe what they say.....

What I do know is me.... And that is it... and I have spent a long time adding to something i probably didn't need too...

If all this information i imagine I have found wasn't found by the Police before... how could I have found it... It wasn't Missing.....

It is an exercise in understand the net, that is all.... I have no information that is not already out there.... i know no more than anyone else does....

What ever this is about i honestly do not know... or give a damn anymore.... It appears to only support not using digital formats for courts, that being social media, video links etc..... Everything that happens at trial needs to be paper based.... (EVIDENCE BASED!!) Real evidence....Proper forensics.... And not the rubbish I have believed.... !!!

Anyone can pretend to be anyone on the internet, as has been proven to me, by doing this,.....

So The Justice system , needs proper checks and balances, it needs a proper chain of command, a chain of command that isn't broken and validation of the person who appears via any link.... Better still have them actually appear in court....

The only thing to add is everything I have screenshot or written needs binning.... I have found nothing... I have understood NOTHING either.... All I have managed to do is waste my time it appears.....

Please refer to the above post, for that answer.... ___________________________________________________________________________________________

Just because it is on the internet does not make it true...  &^^&* &^^&* &^^&*

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Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that's turning running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind
Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
Like a door that keeps revolving in a half forgotten dream
Or the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind
Keys that jingle in your pocket, words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly, was it something that you said?
Lovers walking along a shore and leave their footprints in the sand
Is the sound of distant drumming just the fingers of your hand?
Pictures hanging in a hallway and the fragment of a song
Half remembered names and faces, but to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over you were suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning to the color of her hair!

Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel[/]
As the images unwind, like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind


Says it all really doesn't it........  8(>((

Edit.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEhS9Y9HYjU


As the images unwind, like the circles that I find....In the windmills of "MY" mind....  @)(++(* @)(++(*

« Last Edit: December 06, 2018, 01:09:26 PM by Simple Simon »
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3094 on: December 06, 2018, 03:12:58 PM »
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3095 on: December 06, 2018, 04:07:18 PM »
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Caroline, please, there is no need for this!

Simple Simon, you are going too far. Nobody is pretending to be anybody. I have doubts as to the guilt of Vincent Tabak, but I cannot go with conspiracy theories, sorry! 

My opinion, of course.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3096 on: December 06, 2018, 04:08:52 PM »


For the most part, I agree with what you say.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3097 on: December 06, 2018, 09:42:15 PM »
For the most part, I agree with what you say.

With who? Myster or Nine?

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3098 on: December 07, 2018, 07:12:30 AM »
With who? Myster or Nine?

Myster. Sorry, couldn't get the quote to print!

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3099 on: December 07, 2018, 11:20:42 AM »
Myster. Sorry, couldn't get the quote to print!

By the way, I used the emoticon above because it was the only one which kind of represented confusion. I have no idea how Nine comes to such conclusions as is documented here. I think he/she has an unhealthy interest bt they will NEVER find any answers from social media.