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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #885 on: April 18, 2020, 09:53:13 PM »
Wouldn't be surprised in the least if this originated in HMP Full Sutton.

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #886 on: April 18, 2020, 10:34:23 PM »
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #887 on: April 19, 2020, 07:21:27 AM »

A “good” psychopath ?!

G-Unit, Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath — he’s just not a particularly bright one.

He can fool the gullible, though....

So psychopaths are good at hiding their true nature, but Jeremy Bamber wasn't?

One of the main traits of the psychopathic brain type is manipulation; they are much better at it than the general population.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-psychopaths-think-theyre-successfully-fooling-people-in-their-minds
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #888 on: April 19, 2020, 08:19:04 AM »
So psychopaths are good at hiding their true nature, but Jeremy Bamber wasn't?

One of the main traits of the psychopathic brain type is manipulation; they are much better at it than the general population.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-psychopaths-think-theyre-successfully-fooling-people-in-their-minds
Ultimately no he wasn’t- he’s been in prison for the last 35 years, ergo he was found out.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #889 on: April 19, 2020, 09:16:15 AM »
*&^^&

Today is a day I dread every year the anniversary of our sons wrongful conviction now into his 15th year. This is how I will remember Ben today fun loving son before all our lives as a family were ripped apart. #MiscarriageOfJustice

Tru Benjamin
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Hopefully another day nearer to justice.  Thinking of you all.



R v Benjamin David Geen
https://bengeen.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/geen-judgment.pdf


He was fond of self-aggrandisement," Mr Austin-Smith told the jury.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/feb/16/health.crime


Detective Superintendent Andy Taylor, who led the murder investigation, said: "Ben Geen abused this position of trust.
"We may never know what motivated him to select and poison his victims.
"It is clear that he wanted to be the centre of attention and in order to fuel this desire, brought some of his patients to the brink of death and coldly murdered two of them."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4918462.stm

From same article,

The narcissist’s self-serving defenses can end up making them defenseless.
It’s supremely ironic. Narcissists are notorious for ruthlessly manipulating others to gain a strategic advantage over them. Yet they’re exceptionally vulnerable to being duped themselves because of their powerful psychological defenses, which—if recognized—can be vigorously used against the To adopt a common expression: “The bigger they [think they] are, the harder they fall.”

The DSM-5, the standard manual for diagnosing mental and emotional disorders, lists nine criteria for determining whether an individual is afflicted with this serious disorder. And this post will demonstrate how virtually all of these criteria indirectly suggest pathological narcissists’ curious susceptibility to others’ outmaneuvering them. For as rigidly constricted as the narcissist’s character structure is, their fabricated, super-sized “false self” still requires the assistance of others to remain securely (though artificially) inflated.


Ben Geen’s mother tweeted,

”There’s much prosecution evidence that should never of been allowed to be put before judge and jury, the false and flawed evidence was used to convict our son an innocent NHS nurse for crimes that did not occur.

Wonder if she’s referring to the syringe(s) ?
https://bengeen.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/geen-judgment.pdf


Does Trudi Benjamin know what “evidence’ Ben Geen’s mother alludes to?
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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #890 on: April 19, 2020, 10:33:01 AM »
Yes, Crimes That Shook Britain have already gone over the so called. 'new evidence' - that's how I became interested, it doesn't take long to see through. it though - if you're really open minded that is!


I watched the above last night, and it didn't make me in any way certain that JB is guilty.

I don't know this case well, by any stretch of the imagination, but am I supposed to think the "new evidence" (phone logs, police logs, etc) are all fake?  As far as I could see, IF  they are genuine, they really do cast doubt on JB's guilt. I'm trying to be open minded, but Nevill could have phoned the police, and there could have been a conversation with somebody inside the farm , according to these documents, IF they are genuine. The argument I often hear, that "inside the farm" doesn't actually mean "inside the farmhouse" , but "inside the grounds", could be taken either way, IMO.  All depends how one wants to read it.

Any idea why this stuff has come to light so long after the event?  How did it come to be released?  Or, has someone really just invented it?

Offline barrier

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #891 on: April 19, 2020, 10:43:39 AM »

I watched the above last night, and it didn't make me in any way certain that JB is guilty.

I don't know this case well, by any stretch of the imagination, but am I supposed to think the "new evidence" (phone logs, police logs, etc) are all fake?  As far as I could see, IF  they are genuine, they really do cast doubt on JB's guilt. I'm trying to be open minded, but Nevill could have phoned the police, and there could have been a conversation with somebody inside the farm , according to these documents, IF they are genuine. The argument I often hear, that "inside the farm" doesn't actually mean "inside the farmhouse" , but "inside the grounds", could be taken either way, IMO.  All depends how one wants to read it.

Any idea why this stuff has come to light so long after the event?  How did it come to be released?  Or, has someone really just invented it?

Surely with Taff Jones and his seniors holding the view that it was murder/suicide also the inquest agreed any evidence being hidden would be against that view.Caveat I'm not suggesting such a thing would occur,but that would surely be more plausible.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #892 on: April 19, 2020, 11:05:07 AM »
9th April 2020 Bamber blogs:

Thanks for all of your kind emails and letters of support since the outbreak of COVID-19.

We are, like all of you, following strict social distancing measures in the prison. Thanks to all of our key workers at the NHS and emergency services, especially prison officers who show compassion and professionalism at a time that is difficult for all of us.


https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/

Interesting how Trudi Benjamin doesn’t appear to have ‘liked’ Dr Michael Naughton’s tweets here?

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We need to know how many people in prison, both prisoners and prison staff, have: 1. Contracted coronavirus; 2. Died of coronavirus; and, 3. Recovered from coronavirus. We have a democratic right to this data and to know what is being done about it. Why will they not tell us?

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This data & the data on deaths of prisoners & staff from coronavirus strengthens & adds to the fears about coronavirus in prisons. Those who have a duty of care to protect against such foreseeable & avoidable deaths, & those that will surely follow, need to be held to account.


Could this be why he was requesting it maybe?

He has 377 Followers (many of whom appear vulnerable)  and is Following 21

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #893 on: April 19, 2020, 11:33:02 AM »

I watched the above last night, and it didn't make me in any way certain that JB is guilty.

I don't know this case well, by any stretch of the imagination, but am I supposed to think the "new evidence" (phone logs, police logs, etc) are all fake?  As far as I could see, IF  they are genuine, they really do cast doubt on JB's guilt. I'm trying to be open minded, but Nevill could have phoned the police, and there could have been a conversation with somebody inside the farm , according to these documents, IF they are genuine. The argument I often hear, that "inside the farm" doesn't actually mean "inside the farmhouse" , but "inside the grounds", could be taken either way, IMO.  All depends how one wants to read it.

Any idea why this stuff has come to light so long after the event?  How did it come to be released?  Or, has someone really just invented it?

I think the paperwork is genuine but personally I see it as evidence of sloppiness and poor communication as opposed to anything else.

The paperwork purporting to be a tel call from NB is almost certainly info regurgitated internally from one source ie JB.

There's not a shred of evidence that anyone within the farmhouse communicated with anyone outside.

There's also a police log which states one male and one female in the kitchen.  This was based on PC Collins putting his head above above the parapet to take a look at the kitchen.  It seems he mistook NB for SC.  When the firearms team entered shortly afterwards PC Collins realised NB was in fact male and radioed through to communicate this fact. Hence a log details one female and one male in kitchen.

Unlike today officers were not wearing body cams but relying on walkie talkies where they commincated events to a note taker elsewhere.

All sorts of lurid theories exist that SC shot herself once in the kitchen and then again upstairs which Dr Vanezis and the defence pathologist ruled out.

Mike Tesko on the Blue forum has even suggested the police shot SC which again doesn't fit with any of the ballistics and pathological evidence.

mrswah you asked why I don't rate SL's book and its in part because he believed at the time of writing that these aspects support JB when there's no basis for them.

They're worth mentioning because they show by today's standards it was very poor in terms of paperwork and communication but that's it.  To suggest they're evidence of anything else muddies the water and makes JB/his case look very weak after 35 years.

I believe all the above points have been fully investigated by CCRC and rejected. 

It's similar to what the police considered to be movement at the window subsequently written off as a 'trick of the light'.  No one will ever know whether it was a trick of the light or some other thing or person.  The time for beating the drum about this was at trial but I don't believe the defence did.  But now JB claims this is his alibi that the movement was SC.  This is the reason I believe BC turned against him.  Its not an alibi because it was never proved what or who it was.  Never mind a trick of the light it puts JB and his case in a poor light if that's the best you can come up with after 35 years.   8(8-))

IMO JB has a poor understanding of his case and surrounds himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #894 on: April 19, 2020, 11:42:34 AM »
I think the paperwork is genuine but personally I see it as evidence of sloppiness and poor communication as opposed to anything else.

The paperwork purporting to be a tel call from NB is almost certainly info regurgitated internally from one source ie JB.

There's not a shred of evidence that anyone within the farmhouse communicated with anyone outside.

There's also a police log which states one male and one female in the kitchen.  This was based on PC Collins putting his head above above the parapet to take a look at the kitchen.  It seems he mistook NB for SC.  When the firearms team entered shortly afterwards PC Collins realised NB was in fact male and radioed through to communicate this fact. Hence a log details one female and one male in kitchen.

Unlike today officers were not wearing body cams but relying on walkie talkies where they commincated events to a note taker elsewhere.

All sorts of lurid theories exist that SC shot herself once in the kitchen and then again upstairs which Dr Vanezis and the defence pathologist ruled out.

Mike Tesko on the Blue forum has even suggested the police shot SC which again doesn't fit with any of the ballistics and pathological evidence.

mrswah you asked why I don't rate SL's book and its in part because he believed at the time of writing that these aspects support JB when there's no basis for them.

They're worth mentioning because they show by today's standards it was very poor in terms of paperwork and communication but that's it.  To suggest they're evidence of anything else muddies the water and makes JB/his case look very weak after 35 years.

I believe all the above points have been fully investigated by CCRC and rejected. 

It's similar to what the police considered to be movement at the window subsequently written off as a 'trick of the light'.  No one will ever know whether it was a trick of the light or some other thing or person.  The time for beating the drum about this was at trial but I don't believe the defence did.  But now JB claims this is his alibi that the movement was SC.  This is the reason I believe BC turned against him.  Its not an alibi because it was never proved what or who it was.  Never mind a trick of the light it puts JB and his case in a poor light if that's the best you can come up with after 35 years.   8(8-))

IMO JB has a poor understanding of his case and surrounds himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear.


Has anyone picked up that HAD it been Sheila who'd been seen by Jeremy, had she at some time after that, shot herself, she'd have, relatively speaking, been only just/recently dead by the time she was found. Surely this would have been picked up when compared with the others who'd been dead rather longer?

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #895 on: April 19, 2020, 11:50:52 AM »
I think the paperwork is genuine but personally I see it as evidence of sloppiness and poor communication as opposed to anything else.

The paperwork purporting to be a tel call from NB is almost certainly info regurgitated internally from one source ie JB.

There's not a shred of evidence that anyone within the farmhouse communicated with anyone outside.

There's also a police log which states one male and one female in the kitchen.  This was based on PC Collins putting his head above above the parapet to take a look at the kitchen.  It seems he mistook NB for SC.  When the firearms team entered shortly afterwards PC Collins realised NB was in fact male and radioed through to communicate this fact. Hence a log details one female and one male in kitchen.

Unlike today officers were not wearing body cams but relying on walkie talkies where they commincated events to a note taker elsewhere.

All sorts of lurid theories exist that SC shot herself once in the kitchen and then again upstairs which Dr Vanezis and the defence pathologist ruled out.

Mike Tesko on the Blue forum has even suggested the police shot SC which again doesn't fit with any of the ballistics and pathological evidence.

mrswah you asked why I don't rate SL's book and its in part because he believed at the time of writing that these aspects support JB when there's no basis for them.

They're worth mentioning because they show by today's standards it was very poor in terms of paperwork and communication but that's it.  To suggest they're evidence of anything else muddies the water and makes JB/his case look very weak after 35 years.

I believe all the above points have been fully investigated by CCRC and rejected. 

It's similar to what the police considered to be movement at the window subsequently written off as a 'trick of the light'.  No one will ever know whether it was a trick of the light or some other thing or person.  The time for beating the drum about this was at trial but I don't believe the defence did.  But now JB claims this is his alibi that the movement was SC.  This is the reason I believe BC turned against him.  Its not an alibi because it was never proved what or who it was.  Never mind a trick of the light it puts JB and his case in a poor light if that's the best you can come up with after 35 years.   8(8-))

IMO JB has a poor understanding of his case and surrounds himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear.


Thank you for your reply, Holly. I've obviously got a lot of work to do, but I can fully understand why Scott Lomax believes as he does.

I watched the video, hoping that I'd have a "eureka" moment, but ended up more confused than ever!  I did like the police officer's  London accent though----made me feel quite homesick!

When you say Jeremy doesn't understand his case, is that because you believe he didn't do it, or because he has been in prison for so long that his brain is no longert functioning normally?

I have heard it said that there are still a lot of documents that have never been released to the defence. Is this so, do you think?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #896 on: April 19, 2020, 11:53:35 AM »

Has anyone picked up that HAD it been Sheila who'd been seen by Jeremy, had she at some time after that, shot herself, she'd have, relatively speaking, been only just/recently dead by the time she was found. Surely this would have been picked up when compared with the others who'd been dead rather longer?

If it was SC at the window and she shot herself shortly afterwards then I doubt any noticeable difference in decomposition would be noticeable over such s short time period.  But the point is to come out after 35 years and claim to have an alibi just makes you look weak and guilty.  He surely must discuss these things with those around him and its a pity they don't talk him out of it. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #897 on: April 19, 2020, 11:59:36 AM »
If it was SC at the window and she shot herself shortly afterwards then I doubt any noticeable difference in decomposition would be noticeable over such s short time period.  But the point is to come out after 35 years and claim to have an alibi just makes you look weak and guilty.  He surely must discuss these things with those around him and its a pity they don't talk him out of it.
Have you considered the possibility that not only does it make him look weak and guilty but that actually he IS weak and guilty and that’s why he’s come up with such a straw clutching idea?
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Offline APRIL

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #898 on: April 19, 2020, 12:00:57 PM »
If it was SC at the window and she shot herself shortly afterwards then I doubt any noticeable difference in decomposition would be noticeable over such s short time period.  But the point is to come out after 35 years and claim to have an alibi just makes you look weak and guilty.  He surely must discuss these things with those around him and its a pity they don't talk him out of it.


One might have believed so. However, it's perfectly possible that he likes to control things because it gives him a sense of power. Maybe he refuses to be talked out of decisions he's made? From a guilty perspective, he's hardly likely to want them to go down any avenue which might lead them to that conclusion.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2020, 12:21:49 PM by APRIL »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #899 on: April 19, 2020, 12:16:12 PM »

Thank you for your reply, Holly. I've obviously got a lot of work to do, but I can fully understand why Scott Lomax believes as he does.

I watched the video, hoping that I'd have a "eureka" moment, but ended up more confused than ever!  I did like the police officer's  London accent though----made me feel quite homesick!

When you say Jeremy doesn't understand his case, is that because you believe he didn't do it, or because he has been in prison for so long that his brain is no longert functioning normally?

I have heard it said that there are still a lot of documents that have never been released to the defence. Is this so, do you think?

SL also muddies the water enormously in his book by going along with the defence strategy at trial which was to suggest SC used the silencer to murder the her parents and children and then returned it to the gun cupboard before shooting herself.  This scenario is based on the blood flake supposedly found inside the silencer originating from an intimate mix of June and NB's blood which is so far fetched its the stuff of lala land.

I belive JB has a poor understanding of his case because he's innocent and probably didn't take it seriously pre trial naively believing he would be found not guilty because he didn't commit what he was found guilty of.  Post trial he lacks the resources to manage his case properly eg no access to forensic textbooks, electronic data management systems and the Internet.  Psychologically its inevitable his long incarceration and fighting a 35 year battle he still hasn't won will have taken an enormous toll. He's also had all manner of people dipping in and out of his case including  cranks and bogus lawyers.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?