Panorama Special on 10th Anniversary

[jassi]

snorts in derision 

[Brietta]

As regards the B.B.C. Documentary.

Posters do not have to read the link.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/british-media-documentaries-few-points.html

Yeah ... she does seem a little perturbed.

One of our members Valeria noted "I know that the shutter could be opened from outside. These shutters are common in Greece." http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=18.0

The Greeks gave a lot of knowledge to the world ... it seems posting Portuguese sceptics and their worldwide counterparts have missed out on that particular little gem.
THEY DID NOT KNOW THE SHUTTERS CAN BE RAISED FROM OUTSIDE funny that the Greeks are in the loop and do.

That bird has flown because thanks to Heri we know it can be done because we have seen him doing it ... yet another thread in the general unravelling of of a carefully constructed truth which is actually a lie.

[Brietta]

Who knows Joanna and Maddie could have been abducted by the same person so where would the blame lie then

Any competent investigation should have investigated that possibility ~ just as the home invasions to abuse children at least one of whom was only three should have been.

[Alice Purjorick]

Yeah ... she does seem a little perturbed.

One of our members Valeria noted "I know that the shutter could be opened from outside. These shutters are common in Greece." http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=18.0

The Greeks gave a lot of knowledge to the world ... it seems posting Portuguese sceptics and their worldwide counterparts have missed out on that particular little gem.
THEY DID NOT KNOW THE SHUTTERS CAN BE RAISED FROM OUTSIDE funny that the Greeks are in the loop and do.

That bird has flown because thanks to Heri we know it can be done because we have seen him doing it ... yet another thread in the general unravelling of of a carefully constructed truth which is actually a lie.

Who is "they" ?
As roller shutters were invented about 120 + years ago I rather suspect there are plenty of folk about who understand how a roller shutter in all its variations operates and what can and what cannot be done with it. Some may even realise that the interesting bits of Heri's contrived video clip lie on his cutting room floor.

[stephen25000]

Yeah ... she does seem a little perturbed.

One of our members Valeria noted "I know that the shutter could be opened from outside. These shutters are common in Greece." http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=18.0

The Greeks gave a lot of knowledge to the world ... it seems posting Portuguese sceptics and their worldwide counterparts have missed out on that particular little gem.
THEY DID NOT KNOW THE SHUTTERS CAN BE RAISED FROM OUTSIDE funny that the Greeks are in the loop and do.

That bird has flown because thanks to Heri we know it can be done because we have seen him doing it ... yet another thread in the general unravelling of of a carefully constructed truth which is actually a lie.

Reporting inaccuracies in the program, and there are several, is not being perturbed.

As for Heriberto, seeing a part of the video means nothing at all, and correct me if I'm wrong, but in the video, the shutters were already part raised.

Likewise, how could he open the window if it was locked from the inside ?

it certainly does not prove one iota the window or shutters were opened from the outside.

Miraculously, there is no mark or trail to show such an event happened.

[Brietta]

Who is "they" ?
As roller shutters were invented about 120 + years ago I rather suspect there are plenty of folk about who understand how a roller shutter in all its variations operates and what can and what cannot be done with it. Some may even realise that the interesting bits of Heri's contrived video clip lie on his cutting room floor.

    I joined the "McCann Circus" at the end of 2013 and sceptics were still vehemently defending their position that the the shutter could not be raised from outside.

But I see you have picked up on the point I was making ... EVERYONE ... familiar with them knows they do; I think the problem is why the denial of that fact and the vigour used to do so. 

I think like most of the myths ... all unravel under scrutiny.

[stephen25000]

    I joined the "McCann Circus" at the end of 2013 and sceptics were still vehemently defending their position that the the shutter could not be raised from outside.

But I see you have picked up on the point I was making ... EVERYONE ... familiar with them knows they do; I think the problem is why the denial of that fact and the vigour used to do so. 

I think like most of the myths ... all unravel under scrutiny.

Can you tell me Brietta what physical evidence exists, including naturally forensic evidence, that the shutters or window was opened from out side ?

[barrier]

    I joined the "McCann Circus" at the end of 2013 and sceptics were still vehemently defending their position that the the shutter could not be raised from outside.

But I see you have picked up on the point I was making ... EVERYONE ... familiar with them knows they do; I think the problem is why the denial of that fact and the vigour used to do so. 

I think like most of the myths ... all unravel under scrutiny.

I hope you include abduction in that last sentence because as time goes on no matter what ,with all that OG eliminate abduction becomes even more hard to explain.

[G-Unit]

Jim Gamble and Clarence Mitchell say the review was instigated by The Sun in 2011, but The News of the World was saying in 2010 that Colin Sutton was being considered to lead it.

[Montclair]

Reporting inaccuracies in the program, and there are several, is not being perturbed.

As for Heriberto, seeing a part of the video means nothing at all, and correct me if I'm wrong, but in the video, the shutters were already part raised.

Likewise, how could he open the window if it was locked from the inside ?

it certainly does not prove one iota the window or shutters were opened from the outside.

Miraculously, there is no mark or trail to show such an event happened.

I am still waiting for him to show us how the "abductor" climbed through the narrow window after having opened it and then climbed out again with a child in his arms.

[Mr Gray]

I am still waiting for him to show us how the "abductor" climbed through the narrow window after having opened it and then climbed out again with a child in his arms.

You need to watch his video of what he believed may have happened

[Alice Purjorick]

    I joined the "McCann Circus" at the end of 2013 and sceptics were still vehemently defending their position that the the shutter could not be raised from outside.

But I see you have picked up on the point I was making ... EVERYONE ... familiar with them knows they do; I think the problem is why the denial of that fact and the vigour used to do so. 

I think like most of the myths ... all unravel under scrutiny.

THIS PROBABLY SHOULD BE ON THE WINDOW THREAD. These things 'appen Mr Rudd.
Lets be clear what we are talking about here:
1. The shutters are not designed to be opened from outside.
2. They are not a security device unless fitted with lockable hasp and staple. Otherwise a control of light and airflow.
3. From observation of the photographs the shutter on the bedroom of apartment 5A lowered until it sat on the window ledge.
4. Such shutters may be raised from the outside by as much as the combined backlash on the slats will allow.This amount will vary shutter to shutter due to manufacturimg tolerances. Without sight of the "comics" the variation is a guess. Once all the backlash is taken out the shutter may possibly be forced upward
further into the over head retaining box; this again will vary shutter to shutter. What will not happen is that the overhead shaft which stores the slats in a rolled up position will rotate backwards when the shutter is raised from outside. So unless the slats are wedged into the track or supported with a  mecahnical device they will all come tumbling down with a clatter as soon as purchase on them is released.
5. The window is fitted with a device which allows the window three attitudes: open; closed; closed and locked.
Open = open but that may not be enough to clear the return seal allowing a ne'er do well to stick his fingers in; closed = closed with the locking pin engaged then operable only from the inside; locked = closed with the pin engaged the whole then locked by a key. All of this haraz about the window is evidenced by the plethora of photos kicking about, the best one being on the files with the sliding element with the handle on it removed and leaning against the wall.
If you have been following you will realise how many aspects need to be convergent. So we has us a conspiracy theory ma'am not the lone nutter theory...

Rough comics:
http://www.chinaseniorsupplier.com/Construction_Real_Estate/Door_Window_Accessories/60028655160/C_type_Nigeria_aluminum_window_and_door_building_handle_lock_keys.html

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shutter+components&tbm=isch&imgil=2_pzyHhcO03qIM%253A%253BrmWU-ZdWsX4dtM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.alibaba.com%25252Fproduct-detail%25252FRoller-Shutter-components-Scrap-Metal_2013865375.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=2_pzyHhcO03qIM%253A%252CrmWU-ZdWsX4dtM%252C_&usg=__K5M8790RHO-AnnmM4T1equDolp8%3D&biw=1025&bih=493&ved=0ahUKEwiusMj54dbTAhWLLMAKHU-zCBgQyjcIPA&ei=FWULWe7ROYvZgAbP5qLAAQ#imgrc=2_pzyHhcO03qIM:


p.s how did the alleged burgulah lift the shutter clear of the window sill ? was it clear enough for him to insinuate his fingers? say about a 10mm gap? was he able to produce a "friction drive" using the flat of his hand? or did he have a Swiss Army knife or a jemmy even with which to prise the shutter off the sill ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEstgTAXyec

p.p.s. I don't care what other people said about not being able to open the shutters from outside. What they said is irrelevant to my argument.
But then being a techno cum legal wallah I would want to know the definition of "open" upon which they relied.
Good innit?

[Brietta]

Can you tell me Brietta what physical evidence exists, including naturally forensic evidence, that the shutters or window was opened from out side ?

Did I say the shutter was raised from outside?

In the programme, Heri pointed out the apartments in sight of 5A which had been burgled with entry gained via a window.  Including Mrs Fenn's residence in which a window was used to enter and exit and was directly above 5a.

It is worth noting that the window to the Fenn apartment situated in the stairwell has been fitted with a metal grille as has the bedroom window of apartment 5a where Madeleine slept.

[faithlilly]

Did I say the shutter was raised from outside?

In the programme, Heri pointed out the apartments in sight of 5A which had been burgled with entry gained via a window.  Including Mrs Fenn's residence in which a window was used to enter and exit and was directly above 5a.

It is worth noting that the window to the Fenn apartment situated in the stairwell has been fitted with a metal grille as has the bedroom window of apartment 5a where Madeleine slept.

If the apartment was being watched, as we are lead to believe, surely the burglar would know the patio doors were open and use them ?

[Robittybob1]

If the apartment was being watched, as we are lead to believe, surely the burglar would know the patio doors were open and use them ?

There were so many high level businessmen at PDL in block 4 that week it can't be assumed they were spying on the McCann's apartment.