Panorama Special on 10th Anniversary

[Robittybob1]

Can you tell me Brietta what physical evidence exists, including naturally forensic evidence, that the shutters or window was opened from out side ?

Can you define what opened from the outside actually means?  To me it depends where the person's feet are.  He is on the outside if his feet are on the outside even if he is reaching in.
But I want your distinction of opened from the inside and opened from the outside.

[Brietta]

If the apartment was being watched, as we are lead to believe, surely the burglar would know the patio doors were open and use them ?

Spot on deduction there.

On the other hand who is to say he or she didn't have a key for the front door having knowledge of the unlikelihood of bumping into anyone else using it since the checkers were using the patio door.

The reality is ... only the abductor (Mr Amaral is entitled to his fantasy just as I am to mine but mine is far more likely than his imo) so, only an abductor would know how access was gained.

[stephen25000]

Did I say the shutter was raised from outside?

In the programme, Heri pointed out the apartments in sight of 5A which had been burgled with entry gained via a window.  Including Mrs Fenn's residence in which a window was used to enter and exit and was directly above 5a.

It is worth noting that the window to the Fenn apartment situated in the stairwell has been fitted with a metal grille as has the bedroom window of apartment 5a where Madeleine slept.

More straw clutching.

The implications was obvious.

The shutters and window were opened from outside and not a jot of evidence to support that ever happened.

[Mr Gray]

More straw clutching.

The implications was obvious.

The shutters and window were opened from outside and not a jot of evidence to support that ever happened.

Kates statement is evidence but not proof and there is no evidence to show kate is lying

[Robittybob1]

More straw clutching.

The implications was obvious.

The shutters and window were opened from outside and not a jot of evidence to support that ever happened.

Stephen I'll repeat my question to you.  "Can you define what opened from the outside actually means?  To me it depends where the person's feet are.  He is on the outside if his feet are on the outside even if he is reaching in.
But I want your distinction of opened from the inside and opened from the outside.

[ShiningInLuz]

I think you are describing the Ocean Club of 2017 (I believe it isn't called that anymore since its change in ownership) very much as the McCanns and their friends found it in 2007.

The season was starting then and the season is starting now the difference being that in 2007 the weather at the time was not as you describe.
All else being equal ... I don't think the McCanns are responsible for any localised downturn.

Please provide a cite as to what it is called. I have been on-site with 2 media teams, over the 10th anniversary.  I'd like to know so I get it correct in future.

[ShiningInLuz]

PdL is the safest place on The Planet, apart from the poisonous atmosphere.

We have all lived for 5 years in this atmosphere..  6 adults.  2 children.  We all survived.

[pathfinder73]

Spot on deduction there.

On the other hand who is to say he or she didn't have a key for the front door having knowledge of the unlikelihood of bumping into anyone else using it since the checkers were using the patio door.

The reality is ... only the abductor (Mr Amaral is entitled to his fantasy just as I am to mine but mine is far more likely than his imo) so, only an abductor would know how access was gained.

If you want to talk about fantasy, they missed the opportunity to reveal that one of the Tapas 7 couldn't remember that Kate was dressed only in a towel when asked what she was wearing when he visited apartment 5A that evening. They could have revealed some of these inconsistencies.

[ferryman]

You mean, declined an opportunity to partake of salacious tittle-tattle?

Why would you be surprised about that?

[Robittybob1]

Spot on deduction there.

On the other hand who is to say he or she didn't have a key for the front door having knowledge of the unlikelihood of bumping into anyone else using it since the checkers were using the patio door.

The reality is ... only the abductor (Mr Amaral is entitled to his fantasy just as I am to mine but mine is far more likely than his imo) so, only an abductor would know how access was gained.

If "only an abductor would know how access was gained" and we don't know who the abductor is, then we really know nothing at all.

[faithlilly]

Spot on deduction there.

On the other hand who is to say he or she didn't have a key for the front door having knowledge of the unlikelihood of bumping into anyone else using it since the checkers were using the patio door.

The reality is ... only the abductor (Mr Amaral is entitled to his fantasy just as I am to mine but mine is far more likely than his imo) so, only an abductor would know how access was gained.

However it is possible to figure logic in to the equation.

[Brietta]

Please provide a cite as to what it is called. I have been on-site with 2 media teams, over the 10th anniversary.  I'd like to know so I get it correct in future.

I was mistaken that there had been a name change ... it is still the Ocean Club ... and basically that is all you needed to say.

Interestingly though while checking that out I came across quite a few reviews which while praising much about the benefits of Luz also gave an indication of precisely why the economic downturn and lack of investment has much more to do with any perceived decline than Madeleine's case does.

Lots of renovation needed
We used to own a house as part of the club but our kids grew up so we sold up.
We still visit every 12 months or so as we love Luz and have lots of friends there that we catch up with. We always stay on the Ocean Club site so that we can use the facilities and also holiday with our owner friends.

The Club has gone on a roller coaster ride, not only because of the 'Madeleine' incident which has cast a cloud over the resort for no fault of its own, but the recession and change of ownership have also taken their toll.

The club needs a lot of money spending on it. There were 4 pools, we understand that the 'adult' pool is closed for good - too costly to repair, the indoor Palm Bay pool is no longer part of the club and is also closed, the main 'pot' pool at the top of the resort is due to have major alterations and will be closed for summer.
That leaves the garden pool or waterside as it was called.
This is a lovely pool but will be nowhere big enough this summer.....both the pot pool and this used to be full of Sun worshippers and kids ....one pool will never manage.
The tennis courts are very tired and need re surfacing at least.

There were few staff around, we used to see gardeners all the time but none at all in our 10 day stay. In fact we only saw 3 staff in all our visits to reception and the pool.

The roadways and paths in resort also need sorting, we think UK roads are poor - these are far worse.

A lot of tidying is needed, gardening and weeding, painting and general cleaning.

Luz itself is the saddest we have seen it in 15 years , albeit this was Easter it is hard to see how much can be sorted before the main tourist season. At least there is less building work going on and very few cranes.

It won't stop us going 'out of season' again but never in the summer.
We were told that the club is going to be full/very busy for this summer - it will be a bit tight around the pool if there is only one in operation. Fingers crossed it is tidied up as well as it does look a bit sad.

Ps the beach is still great !
Room Tip: Try and get a property in Ocean Club Gardens as they are the newest
Stayed: April 2017, travelled with family

Garden Pool
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g776012-d229314-Reviews-Luz_Ocean_Club-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html


"The Gym was closed, and had been for some time judging by the old dusty equipment. The spa and poolside activities did not exist and one poolside bar and restaurant were closed – in peak season!! Maybe we were unlucky, but our apartment was dirty and wasn’t serviced properly during our stay.
SusanY 51    August 2015

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g776012-d229314-Reviews-Luz_Ocean_Club-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html


With reference to discussion about speedy driving outside Luz ... it seems the cops are not the only ones to inspire terror.


"  ... or a mad airport taxi driver (on his mobile continually looking for a return fare whilst doing 100+ km per hour - hairy or what?) but only took 45 minutes (of terror)."
Debbie F     2014
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g776012-d229314-Reviews-Luz_Ocean_Club-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html

[Eleanor]

The Exchange Rate hasn't helped.  It's been bad for the last 10 years.  Bookings in France have certainly suffered.

[Brietta]

However it is possible to figure logic in to the equation.

I think most people have done that already.  One doesn't require pause for reflection as to why Panorama ignored the coffin invasion/cremation for a central theme to their programme.

[faithlilly]

I think most people have done that already.  One doesn't require pause for reflection as to why Panorama ignored the coffin invasion/cremation for a central theme to their programme.

As I have posted before the police force investigating the Moira Anderson disappearance thought that her body might also have been concealed in a similar fashion so, although I don't subscribe to this particular theory, it is not as far fetched as some would have us believe.

On a side note while you yourself were a ardent opposer, and quite rightly so, of Sonia Poulton doorstepping Kate McCann several years ago what are your feelings on Bilton haranguing an obviously mentally disabled man or rudely questioning a gentleman, who was never even an arguido, at his place of work?