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Offline Brietta

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #255 on: May 09, 2017, 01:23:47 PM »
Thgere is no evidence worth a grain of salt to shopw abduction, compared to any other possibility.

No forensic evidence.

No sign whatsoever of anyone else in the apartment.

No trail in the paedophile network.

10 years of worldwide publicity and absolutely NOTHING.

Eye witness testimony is evidence based on what the witness saw and is used as such by the courts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

Therefore you are wrong about there being no evidence.  I believe you are wrong about forensics also ... as there are samples yet to be identified taken from the apartment shortly after Madeleine disappeared.
Showing that there had been an unaccountable presence in the apartment.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #256 on: May 09, 2017, 01:24:45 PM »
Eye witness testimony is evidence based on what the witness saw and is used as such by the courts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

Therefore you are wrong about there being no evidence.  I believe you are wrong about forensics also ... as there are samples yet to be identified taken from the apartment shortly after Madeleine disappeared.
Showing that there had been an unaccountable presence in the apartment.

Believe what you wish.

It won't help.

As to the other traces, not one iota of proof they were made on the 3 rd May 2007.

Offline jassi

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #257 on: May 09, 2017, 01:26:09 PM »
Or a man kidnapping a child.

He was seen yards from an apartment from where it would be discovered soon after that a child had gone missing.

If Kate McCann returned home to discover the television was missing and Jane Tanner had seen a man carrying a television outside ... what could reasonably be deduced from that?
And then, when police are satisfied that the man was carrying his own television, what does the witness say? "Oh I must be mistaken, I just jumped to conclusions"
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #258 on: May 09, 2017, 01:26:52 PM »
And then, when police are satisfied that the man was carrying his own television, what does the witness say? "Oh I must be mistaken, I just jumped to conclusions"

Indeed. 8((()*/

Offline Brietta

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #259 on: May 09, 2017, 01:28:20 PM »
Have you been in the room and studied the lighting ?

How could Jane Tanner see clearly in what at best was twilight, and the only illumination, street lights ?

I have read the description given by the witness.

Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a child whether she saw him in the twilight and under street lighting she saw what she saw and made sworn statements about her sighting with as much detail as she could remember.

Her sighting is evidence.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #260 on: May 09, 2017, 01:31:30 PM »
I have read the description given by the witness.

Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a child whether she saw him in the twilight and under street lighting she saw what she saw and made sworn statements about her sighting with as much detail as she could remember.

Her sighting is evidence.

Yes, evidence of a man taking his child home.

How many times have we been told by Mccann supporters on here, you sometimes see what you wish to see ?

Offline jassi

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #261 on: May 09, 2017, 01:32:37 PM »
I have read the description given by the witness.

Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a child whether she saw him in the twilight and under street lighting she saw what she saw and made sworn statements about her sighting with as much detail as she could remember.

Her sighting is evidence.

Of a man carrying a small child - nothing more.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #262 on: May 09, 2017, 01:33:24 PM »
Believe what you wish.

It won't help.

As to the other traces, not one iota of proof they were made on the 3 rd May 2007.

Unidentified forensic traces taken from the scene of a crime are evidence.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #263 on: May 09, 2017, 01:35:14 PM »

I'm quoting your recent newspaper article wher you are quoted that it your opinion Maddie was abducted
« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 11:06:28 AM by John »

stephen25000

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #264 on: May 09, 2017, 01:35:35 PM »
Unidentified forensic traces taken from the scene of a crime are evidence.

It doesn't mean they were made on that day.

 8**8:/:


Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #265 on: May 09, 2017, 01:38:29 PM »
I'm quoting your recent newspaper article wher you are quoted that it your opinion Maddie was abducted
You twisted what I said about Smithman and threw in a cheap gibe.
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #266 on: May 09, 2017, 01:39:16 PM »
Yes, evidence of a man taking his child home.

How many times have we been told by Mccann supporters on here, you sometimes see what you wish to see ?

A child was missing.

A man was seen carrying a child coming from the direction of her apartment.

Surely the police were remiss in not being able to trace that person for elimination purposes.  They were informed timeously enough.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline The Singularity

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #267 on: May 09, 2017, 01:41:04 PM »
Was that rather like his work in the Jill Dando case then ?

Can you remind me as to Horrocks experiences in missing children cases ?

If you read into Mr Horrock's research and background, you would be aware that a missing person or child for whatever reason, normally has the same reasons for going missing. Bring to bear his extensive knowledge of deconstructing crimes scenes with support of forensics and then using it to present a file to the CPS does tend to suggest to me, that his overall knowledge of crime detecting and prosecuting can be taken into consideration. And not to be looked at such a granular level that it can be, in your case instantly dismissed.

The assassination of Jill Dando was a case that put the entire constabulary and MET police under intense pressure and scrutiny. Critical thinking and mistakes were made and this was perfectly highlighted when Barry George successfully appealed the case. Mistakes were made as with any criminal investigation but what was dire that the forensics were cross contaminated.

I assume you bring this case up because of Mr Horrock's view of this given the experience, they were all misled by inaccurate forensics. This happens, not just in the UK but other countries as well.

Again though,  given all this, bringing up his lack of direct handling of missing children cases, or his view on the flawed investigation into Jill Dando is still not an argument

Offline Brietta

Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #268 on: May 09, 2017, 01:41:24 PM »
It doesn't mean they were made on that day.

 8**8:/:

Whenever they may have been left ... no one knows who it was who left them in the apartment.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.
« Reply #269 on: May 09, 2017, 01:42:38 PM »
A child was missing.

A man was seen carrying a child coming from the direction of her apartment.

Surely the police were remiss in not being able to trace that person for elimination purposes.  They were informed timeously enough.

'...In  the direction of the apartment..'

How many other apartments were in the vicinity, and how many children were staying there ?

Any idea at all.

By the way, there is a libelous post at the bottom of page 20 of this thread in regard to Amaral. I recommend it be removed, and it has been reported already.

Noted. Libelous post removed.
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