The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.

[Lace]

When an adult disappears in suspicious circumstances investigators have to look carefully at their background, lifestyle and those around them.  Claudia Lawrence's disappearance was out of character leading police and family to believe she was abducted and killed.

Kate Prout's disappearance was also out of character despite the claims of her husband Adrian who insisted she had gone off by herself. Some simple checks revealed that many of her personal effects had been left behind, her bank account was untouched etc..

As you have pointed out Madeleine McCann was a child so unlikely to have gone off to start a new life on her own and nobody except SY has even mentioned such a preposterous scenario.  It was Mark Rowley who made this comment in his recent interview, the fact that he should even have made such a stupid remark undermined the entire communication.

Mark Rowley was saying it wasn't as if she was an adult and able to walk out by herself and start a new life,  what is stupid about that?   Madeleine wasn't able to just walk out of her life was she?  she was probably abducted.

[G-Unit]

When an adult disappears in suspicious circumstances investigators have to look carefully at their background, lifestyle and those around them.  Claudia Lawrence's disappearance was out of character leading police and family to believe she was abducted and killed.

Kate Prout's disappearance was also out of character despite the claims of her husband Adrian who insisted she had gone off by herself. Some simple checks revealed that many of her personal effects had been left behind, her bank account was untouched etc..

As you have pointed out Madeleine McCann was a child so unlikely to have gone off to start a new life on her own and nobody except SY has even mentioned such a preposterous scenario.  It was Mark Rowley who made this comment in his recent interview, the fact that he should even have made such a stupid remark undermined the entire communication.

He was possibly rather ruffled due to the questions he was being asked, which were surprisingly specific and searching imo.

[G-Unit]

Well if people are going to ignore what two police forces have said and that is 'the parents are not suspects'  then abduction will not be a theory.   If however people do believe what the two police forces have said [me included]  then it was abduction.

I wonder if the Police have ever said such things before and then changed their minds? If they have then their words can't be relied upon.

[John]

Francisco Marco and Kevin Halligen will both have inside information about the failed search for Maddie which would no doubt emerge in any civil action against them.

Antonio Jimenez was the Método operative who went to Morocco and created false sightings of Madeleine.

In February 2008, another Metodo 3 private detective, known as Antonio Jimenez or ‘Antonio J.R.’ (aged 53), working for the McCanns as their ‘detective in charge of special operations’, was charged with stealing 400 kilograms of cocaine - nearly half a ton - from an illegal shipment of 1,500 kg, said to have been worth £25 million, on a ship coming from Venezuela.  He had been Chief Inspector of the Drugs and Organised Crime Unit for the Barcelona police at the time those 400 kilos of cocaine went missing from the port of Barcelona.  But he had left the police to work for Metodo 3 in August 2005, just when an internal investigation was looking into how those 400 kilos had disappeared. He was remanded in custody by a Barcelona court on charges of breach of trust, corruption, corruption of public officials and illicit criminal association.

It had been the same Antonio Jimenez of Metodo 3 who had travelled to Morocco and, whilst he was there, was able - somehow - to find a number of witnesses who claimed to have seen Madeleine. It was around the time of Jimenez’s trip to Morocco that the Moroccan government took the unusual step of expelling a man who had been visiting hotels and garages in various parts of Morocco offering people money if they could claim to have seen a girl looking like Madeleine.  A coincidence, perhaps but Metodo's days were numbered.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3085.msg113348#msg113348

[John]

From The Telegraph
24 Feb 2008

Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for the McCanns, sought to distance Jimenez from Metodo 3.
He said: "He is nothing to do with us. He collaborated with Metodo 3 on a project, but that was two years before the company was hired to find Madeleine.
"We still have faith in the work of Metodo 3."
Mr Marco denied Spanish television reports that Jiminez, 53, has worked for Metodo 3 for three years.
He insisted that Jimenez was, until three weeks ago, a business partner of his mother, Maria Fernandez Lado, who founded Metodo 3. He said Jimenez had been involved with a separate company.
Spanish records, however, reportedly showed that this business had the same listed address as Metodo 3.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1579678/Madeleine-McCann-detective-agency-link-held.html


Strange that since on November 13, 2007, a meeting took place, in Portimão. Two PJ detectives – Ricardo Paiva and Paulo Ferreira, the director of Metodo 3, Mr. Francisco Marco, an adviser from the private detectives company, Mr. António Jimenez (former head of Police Anti-Kidnapping Unit from Catalonia) and Mr. Brian Kennedy participated in the meeting.

[Alice Purjorick]

So police can come to a conclusion without any forensic or wtness evidence like they have done in the Claudia Lawrence case and everyone accepts it, so why not, when they come to a conclusion in the Madeleine McCann case (similarly lacking in hard evidence) are we not allowed to accept it and have to use caveats instead?

This may provide a more comprehensive overview:
https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/claudia-lawrence-investigation/claudia-lawrence-enquiry-moves-reactive-phase/

[John]

So police can come to a conclusion without any forensic or witness evidence like they have done in the Claudia Lawrence case and everyone accepts it, so why not, when they come to a conclusion in the Madeleine McCann case (similarly lacking in hard evidence) are we not allowed to accept it and have to use caveats instead?

What conclusion?   Neither case has been determined. Claudia Lawrence was an adult on her way to work while Madeleine McCann was a child who disappeared from her bed, the cases have nothing in common other than the disappearances.

[John]

He was possibly rather ruffled due to the questions he was being asked, which were surprisingly specific and searching imo.

I don't know about feathers but he put both feet right in it!   

[ferryman]

What conclusion?   Neither case has been determined. Claudia Lawrence was an adult on her way to work while Madeleine McCann was a child who disappeared from her bed, the cases have nothing in common other than the disappearances.

Surely the similarities  are (Madeleine's disappearance and Claudia's disappearance) that in both cases, every conceivable avenue has been explored to try to solve (either) case; and that in neither case was anyone close to the missing person suspected of any crime related to the disappearance.

[John]

Mark Rowley was saying it wasn't as if she was an adult and able to walk out by herself and start a new life,  what is stupid about that?   Madeleine wasn't able to just walk out of her life was she?  she was probably abducted.

I think most people will have realised that as Madeleine was 3.  Rowley erred when he stated that, "However she left that apartment, she has been abducted."  It was an irresponsible comment for any senior copper to make publicly on national TV after stating that they must keep all options open.  It made him look really foolish imo.

[Eleanor]

Antonio Jimenez was the Método operative who went to Morocco and created false sightings of Madeleine.

In February 2008, another Metodo 3 private detective, known as Antonio Jimenez or ‘Antonio J.R.’ (aged 53), working for the McCanns as their ‘detective in charge of special operations’, was charged with stealing 400 kilograms of cocaine - nearly half a ton - from an illegal shipment of 1,500 kg, said to have been worth £25 million, on a ship coming from Venezuela.  He had been Chief Inspector of the Drugs and Organised Crime Unit for the Barcelona police at the time those 400 kilos of cocaine went missing from the port of Barcelona.  But he had left the police to work for Metodo 3 in August 2005, just when an internal investigation was looking into how those 400 kilos had disappeared. He was remanded in custody by a Barcelona court on charges of breach of trust, corruption, corruption of public officials and illicit criminal association.

It had been the same Antonio Jimenez of Metodo 3 who had travelled to Morocco and, whilst he was there, was able - somehow - to find a number of witnesses who claimed to have seen Madeleine. It was around the time of Jimenez’s trip to Morocco that the Moroccan government took the unusual step of expelling a man who had been visiting hotels and garages in various parts of Morocco offering people money if they could claim to have seen a girl looking like Madeleine.  A coincidence, perhaps but Metodo's days were numbered.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3085.msg113348#msg113348

Wasn't he later acquitted?  Or have I got that wrong?

[John]

Wasn't he later acquitted?  Or have I got that wrong?

He was indeed acquitted on the basis of insufficient evidence. 

It was also Jimenez who met with Marcos Aragão Correia at the Arcade dam fiasco yet all this was denied by Clarence Mitchell.  It would be interesting to know which Método 3 detectives approached João Grade as part of their plan to damage Amaral?

[Eleanor]

Insufficient Evidence, eh?  Where have I heard that before?

It doesn't mean he was Innocent because he definitely dun it.  Although not in my opinion as it happens.

[slartibartfast]

Oh well there you are then,  don't suppose Amaral is wrong is he?

Thing is they are privy to much more than we are,  they can determine whether the McCann's are where they were as they said in their statements.

If you think anything happened before the alert,   then the McCann's deserve an Oscar as their performance was fantastic,   behaving as though nothing had happened an all.

I don't have an issue with people believing the police, however believing the police does not mean their opinion is correct.

[Eleanor]

I don't have an issue with people believing the police, however believing the police does not mean their opinion is correct.

Neither does it mean it isn't.