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Alfie

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #345 on: May 14, 2017, 05:27:54 PM »
Quote from: John on May 14, 2017, 04:02:26 PM
What conclusion?   Neither case has been determined. Claudia Lawrence was an adult on her way to work while Madeleine McCann was a child who disappeared from her bed, the cases have nothing in common other than the disappearances.
Police in the CL case are treating her disappearance as a murder investigation.  Police in the MMC case are treating her disappearance as an abduction / murder.  In neither case is their any hard evidence, yet I don't suppose if I were to write about Claudia Lawrence's murder it would raise much of an eyebrow on this forum.  Mention the "A" word in the Madeleine case however and we must follow a new rule of inserting a caveat. 

Whatever. 
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #346 on: May 14, 2017, 05:31:45 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on May 14, 2017, 05:25:16 PM
Neither does it mean it isn't.

True, so a bit of a moot point.
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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #347 on: May 14, 2017, 06:05:28 PM »
Quote from: Alfie on May 14, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
Police in the CL case are treating her disappearance as a murder investigation.  Police in the MMC case are treating her disappearance as an abduction / murder.  In neither case is their any hard evidence, yet I don't suppose if I were to write about Claudia Lawrence's murder it would raise much of an eyebrow on this forum.  Mention the "A" word in the Madeleine case however and we must follow a new rule of inserting a caveat. 

Whatever.

But the Claudia Lawrence case is not a murder investigation, it is a missing person enquiry just as Madeleine's is.
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Alfie

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #348 on: May 14, 2017, 06:27:09 PM »
Quote from: John on May 14, 2017, 06:05:28 PM
But the Claudia Lawrence case is not a murder investigation, it is a missing person enquiry just as Madeleine's is.
Wrong.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-23402183
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Offline jassi

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #349 on: May 14, 2017, 06:32:10 PM »
Launching a murder investigation does not necessarily equate to murder.
A murder investigation would be launched even it later turned out to be manslaughter or even accidental death
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stephen25000

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« Reply #350 on: May 14, 2017, 06:34:56 PM »
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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #351 on: May 14, 2017, 06:45:26 PM »
Quote from: jassi on May 14, 2017, 06:32:10 PM
Launching a murder investigation does not necessarily equate to murder.
A murder investigation would be launched even it later turned out to be manslaughter or even accidental death

Or an abduction, perhaps?
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Offline jassi

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #352 on: May 14, 2017, 06:48:11 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on May 14, 2017, 06:45:26 PM
Or an abduction, perhaps?

Could be, the OG team deployed was a murder squad
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #353 on: May 14, 2017, 06:49:52 PM »
Quote from: Alfie on May 14, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
Police in the CL case are treating her disappearance as a murder investigation.  Police in the MMC case are treating her disappearance as an abduction / murder.  In neither case is their any hard evidence, yet I don't suppose if I were to write about Claudia Lawrence's murder it would raise much of an eyebrow on this forum.  Mention the "A" word in the Madeleine case however and we must follow a new rule of inserting a caveat. 

Whatever.

Is it a new rule? I thought posting opinion as fact was already frowned upon? It probably wasn't enforced as much as it could have been, but it was regularly commented on.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #354 on: May 14, 2017, 07:15:18 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on May 14, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
Is it a new rule? I thought posting opinion as fact was already frowned upon? It probably wasn't enforced as much as it could have been, but it was regularly commented on.

thats the whole point...if we have rules they need to be applied evenly...and apply to everyone...including moderators

no opinion as fact...thats fine...but it MUST apply to everyone
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Online Eleanor

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #355 on: May 14, 2017, 07:19:32 PM »
Quote from: davel on May 14, 2017, 07:15:18 PM
thats the whole point...if we have rules they need to be applied evenly...and apply to everyone...including moderators

no opinion as fact...thats fine...but it MUST apply to everyone

It will.
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ferryman

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #356 on: May 14, 2017, 07:25:40 PM »
Might the caveat be "b........" abductor?
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Online Eleanor

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #357 on: May 14, 2017, 07:32:20 PM »
Quote from: ferryman on May 14, 2017, 07:25:40 PM
Might the caveat be "b........" abductor?

No.  I don't think so.  In My Opinion.
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ferryman

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Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #358 on: May 14, 2017, 07:38:04 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on May 14, 2017, 07:32:20 PM
No.  I don't think so.  In My Opinion.

Spoil-sport.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The use of the term 'abductor' should be qualified by caveat.
« Reply #359 on: May 14, 2017, 07:45:54 PM »
Quote from: davel on May 14, 2017, 07:15:18 PM
thats the whole point...if we have rules they need to be applied evenly...and apply to everyone...including moderators

no opinion as fact...thats fine...but it MUST apply to everyone

I'll do my best.
I hope you and the other members will let me know if or when I'm failing.
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