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Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #240 on: May 29, 2017, 05:24:53 PM »
https://youtu.be/tUHp85TyJ0Y?t=1053

Amaral states that Jane Tanner was in outside her apartment smoking a cigarette as Jez was returning home therefore could not possibly have seen Tannerman in the way she said.

Just so and what's more both Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins agree.  According to Amaral, Tanner went up the footpath behind the apartments and entered her apartment using the patio door.  He claims it was from her front corridor that she saw a man carrying a child, a man identified by Redwood as probably being an innocent tourist.  Jez Wilkins later recalled seeing a woman dressed in purple standing there at 5d smoking.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #241 on: May 29, 2017, 05:28:29 PM »
He is right to claim a hit on the 'teddy bear' otherwise known as cuddlecat because Grime himself stated that Eddie alerted to the toy.  A dog which is trained to find cadaver odour alerts to a missing childs soft toy, clothing, in apartment 5a, outside beneath the balcony and to the child's parent's hire car.  Are you really asking everyone to believe every single one of these alerts was just a coincidence.

im telling everyone that without forensic confirmation none of those alerts have any evidential reliability

Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #242 on: May 29, 2017, 05:34:35 PM »
he is telling lies to say that the dog signalled corpse odor....martin grime has not confirmed that and was  asked that direct question

mark harrison says no inference can be drawn from the alerts

amaral is telling lies. combined with the 200 claim it gives a totally false interpretation

Amaral is right to look at the various possibilities and one of them was that Eddie did alert to cadaver odour.  The justification behind the CMTV programme was to look at the evidence and that is what Amaral did.  The dog alerts are evidence just as the changed stories, the changed statements and the mysterious unaccounted for telephone call between the parents while both were supposed to be sat together in the tapas bar at 10pm.

Can you explain this telephone call or why Gerry and Jez never saw Tanner as she squeezed past Gerry on a well lit street?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #243 on: May 29, 2017, 05:37:00 PM »
im telling everyone that without forensic confirmation none of those alerts have any evidential reliability

It is not a court of law, it is a video in which the lead detective gave his opinions based on the first hand special knowledge he has of the case.
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Offline misty

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #244 on: May 29, 2017, 05:44:40 PM »
Just so and what's more both Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins agree.  According to Amaral, Tanner went up the footpath behind the apartments and entered her apartment using the patio door.  He claims it was from her front corridor that she saw a man carrying a child, a man identified by Redwood as probably being an innocent tourist.  Jez Wilkins later recalled seeing a woman dressed in purple standing there at 5d smoking.
Neither JW nor GM saw JT go past so they could not verify which route she took.
JW's statement does not place JT outside her apartment on his final journey back - it was when he went out at around 8.15pm.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #245 on: May 29, 2017, 05:51:32 PM »
Neither JW nor GM saw JT go past so they could not verify which route she took.
JW's statement does not place JT outside her apartment on his final journey back - it was when he went out at around 8.15pm.
JT's apartment did not have a front balcony.

Amaral stated it did so is he wrong on that point?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #246 on: May 29, 2017, 06:15:51 PM »
The Gaspar Statements were translated into Portuguese, and then translated back into English before we ever saw them.  And Mrs. Gaspar had no idea that what were her private suppositions would ever see the light of day.
And they were just suppositions.  She never stated anything as Fact.

Meanwhile, her husband had an entirely different idea of what happened.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #247 on: May 29, 2017, 06:20:36 PM »
Both Gaspers made a statement to the English police reporting what occurred in Majorca with the Paynes and the McCanns.  They came forward and spoke out when they heard about Maddie's disappearance.  The statements were sent to Amaral as he was about to leave the investigation, he states that they were merely included within a big pile of other documents without being identified as being of special interest.  Ricardo Paiva witnessed the events too and stated as much.

Which part isn't true?

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #248 on: May 29, 2017, 06:21:45 PM »
It is not a court of law, it is a video in which the lead detective gave his opinions based on the first hand special knowledge he has of the case.
His knowledge of the case and his understanding of the evidence is very poor

Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #249 on: May 29, 2017, 06:26:51 PM »
His knowledge of the case and his understanding of the evidence is very poor

For someone who has never been to Praua da Luz or met anyone involved in the case you offer a lot of knowledge about it?  I think Amaral raises many interesting points about the claimed abduction and has more or less rubbished it entirely.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #250 on: May 29, 2017, 06:30:05 PM »
For someone who has never been to Praua da Luz or met anyone involved in the case you offer a lot of knowledge about it?

I don't need to go to PDL to know that the dogs have not helped solve 200 cases
That calpol is not an antihistamine
That cadaver odor has not been confirmed
That the dna did not provide a match to maddie

If I Understand all that why doesn't the lead detective
Perhaps you could answer that
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Offline Angelo222

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #251 on: May 29, 2017, 06:36:29 PM »
I don't need to go to PDL to know that the dogs have not helped solve 200 cases
That calpol is not an antihistamine
That cadaver odor has not been confirmed
That the dna did not provide a match to maddie

If I Understand all that why doesn't the lead detective
Perhaps you could answer that

Maybe you can also explain why the twins were out cold and had to be monitored constantly the rest of the night?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #252 on: May 29, 2017, 06:37:50 PM »
Maybe you can also explain why the twins were out cold and had to be monitored constantly the rest of the night?
Already have done
They were totally worn out after playing all day
Seen it many times
Sometimes kids are impossible to wake

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Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #253 on: May 29, 2017, 06:37:54 PM »
I suppose the same argument could be used by flat earth supporters.
They are still waiting for proof that the world is not flat.
If you choose to believe there is any credibility in the coffin theory, fine by me.
I choose to call his theories ridiculous free speech and all that!!

Waiting for proof of a flat earth.


Sounds like waiting for proof of abduction.

Offline Erngath

Re: CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles
« Reply #254 on: May 29, 2017, 06:42:52 PM »
Waiting for proof of a flat earth.


Sounds like waiting for proof of abduction.

NSY are investigating the abduction.
Don't think they are investigating the flat earth theory.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.