CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[Mr Gray]

Rowley's certainty seems to be limited. Very little evidence, a lot not know, no idea what happened - but it was an abduction. How the heck does he know that? Perhaps someone told him.

the evidence is limited at the moment.....there is still a lot of unknown on this case.....Until we get to the point where we have solved it, we’re unlikely to have definitive evidence as to exactly what happened at the time.
http://news.met.police.uk/documents/transcript-of-interview-with-ac-mark-rowley-66743

Imo he knows it by looking at the evidence
He has access to more than we do
He seems pretty certain
He doesnt know exactly how it happened but he seems to know it happened

It strange how you criticise Rowley but not Amaral who patently does not understand the evidence

[G-Unit]

Imo he knows it by looking at the evidence
He has access to more than we do
He seems pretty certain
He doesnt know exactly how it happened but he seems to know it happened

It strange how you criticise Rowley but not Amaral who patently does not understand the evidence

I'm not in the habit of believing something just because someone says it's true. Experience has taught me that people say things for all sorts of reasons. I think Rowley says abduction happened because that's what Operation Grange have been investigating all along. They may be right, they may be wrong, but I would be very surprised if they can prove it was an abduction.

The difference between Amaral and Rowley is that Amaral tells us exactly why he reached his conclusions. Rowley tells us nothing so how can we judge?

[Mr Gray]

According to supporters, Amaral has stated other "facts" so by logic we can take that as evidence.

Of course
And we examine the evidence and see if it stands up to scrutiny

[Mr Gray]

Because it is opinion stated as fact.

Stephen is stating they are circumstantial evidence
Opinion stated as fact so they should be removed
Grime has told us
No evidential value so it is grimes opinion not mine
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[G-Unit]

Amaral refers to the fact that Gerry McCann changed his account of how he entered his apartment on the evening of 3rd May. It is a fact because it's there in black and white in his statements.

Those who support the McCanns deny or excuse this fact. Gerry was confused, the interpreter was confused, the translator was confused etc., etc. Does that change anything? No, the fact remains.

Casting doubt on the facts is counter-productive because Operation Grange relied on the original files (allegedly) to decide there was no need to investigate the parents.

If the files can't be relied on then Operation Grange have made a big mistake.

[Mr Gray]

Amaral refers to the fact that Gerry McCann changed his account of how he entered his apartment on the evening of 3rd May. It is a fact because it's there in black and white in his statements.

Those who support the McCanns deny or excuse this fact. Gerry was confused, the interpreter was confused, the translator was confused etc., etc. Does that change anything? No, the fact remains.

Casting doubt on the facts is counter-productive because Operation Grange relied on the original files (allegedly) to decide there was no need to investigate the parents.

If the files can't be relied on then Operation Grange have made a big mistake.

The files cannot be relied upon to be entirely correct
Gerry statement is not verbatim and twice translated
The PJ accepted there were errors... I have posted the link before

That's why SY will have clarified things with the important witnesses including the mccanns

[Benice]

Amaral refers to the fact that Gerry McCann changed his account of how he entered his apartment on the evening of 3rd May. It is a fact because it's there in black and white in his statements.

Those who support the McCanns deny or excuse this fact. Gerry was confused, the interpreter was confused, the translator was confused etc., etc. Does that change anything? No, the fact remains.

Casting doubt on the facts is counter-productive because Operation Grange relied on the original files (allegedly) to decide there was no need to investigate the parents.

If the files can't be relied on then Operation Grange have made a big mistake.

True  -but what Amaral does not do is explain the reasons Gerry gave for correcting his statement.  If those reasons were in any way shape or form detrimental to Gerry - then I have no doubt we would know all about them.

Once again an example IMO of  'lying by omission' IMO  where vital facts are omitted in order to cast suspicion where there would be no suspicion if the whole story was known.

Any idea that SY have no more information than we have -  and no more powers than we do to investigate anything they like in depth is silly IMO. 

AIMHO

Must go out now.

 

[John]

The files cannot be relied upon to be entirely correct
Gerry statement is not verbatim and twice translated
The PJ accepted there were errors... I have posted the link before

That's why SY will have clarified things with the important witnesses including the mccanns

It won't wash, there is a solid wooden front door with two locks and a rear single glass sliding patio door which only locks from the inside.  Nobody is fooled by attempts to confuse the two.  The only reason those resident on ground floor apartments claimed to have used the front door was because they suspected they would be severely criticised if they admitted to using the patio door and leaving it unlocked.  They were right!

[Mr Gray]

It won't wash, there is a solid wooden front door with two locks and a rear single glass sliding patio door which only locks from the inside.  Nobody is fooled by attempts to confuse the two.  The only reason those resident on ground floor apartments claimed to have used the front door was because they suspected they would be severely criticised if they admitted to using the patio door and leaving it unlocked.  They were right!

All your opinion
Without proper transcripts it's reasonable to assume there were errors and imo and many others the confusion over the door was a translation issue
It was a massive mistake by the PJ not to record the interviews

[G-Unit]

The files cannot be relied upon to be entirely correct
Gerry statement is not verbatim and twice translated
The PJ accepted there were errors... I have posted the link before

That's why SY will have clarified things with the important witnesses including the mccanns

Your whole post is speculation and doesn't change the fact that Gerry changed his story.

[Mr Gray]

Your whole post is speculation and doesn't change the fact that Gerry changed his story.

Did Gerry change his story or correct a mistake by the translator

[G-Unit]

True  -but what Amaral does not do is explain the reasons Gerry gave for correcting his statement.  If those reasons were in any way shape or form detrimental to Gerry - then I have no doubt we would know all about them.

Once again an example IMO of  'lying by omission' IMO  where vital facts are omitted in order to cast suspicion where there would be no suspicion if the whole story was known.

Any idea that SY have no more information than we have -  and no more powers than we do to investigate anything they like in depth is silly IMO. 

AIMHO

Must go out now.

You are assuming;

That Gerry McCann gave a valid reason for changing his story
That this reason wasn't recorded by those taking his second statement.
That somehow Amaral knows this unrecorded reason.
That Amaral is hiding the reason in order to make Gerry look bad.

That's an awful lot of assuming imo, and it doesn't change the recorded fact.

[G-Unit]

Did Gerry change his story or correct a mistake by the translator

No mistake. Key = chave. He mentioned it twice.

[misty]

Your whole post is speculation and doesn't change the fact that Gerry changed his story.

Doors & keys appear to have been a matter of high importance in GM's statement of 10th May. Count how many times they were referred to in the statement, presumably each one  in response to a  PJ question.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[Mr Gray]

No mistake. Key = chave. He mentioned it twice.

Do you have a transcript to show that
We don't know what words he used