CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[pathfinder73]

Seems a bit quick to go and it was the last thing he said he did before leaving on that check not the first. They only left at 8:35pm.

"At 20H35, they left the apartment in the direction of the TAPAS."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[G-Unit]

Correction (I'll amend my post). He didn't say that he left by the patio but that Matt entered via it "by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked"

At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building.



The point still remains that there is not reason for him to have taken the long route if the patio door was "always unlocked".

That's exactly the point Amaral made.

[Carana]

That's exactly the point Amaral made.

I'm aware of that - he's been spouting about it for long enough. Did he ever check whether it could have been a simple translation / lost-in-confusion issue? If so, I haven't found anything to that effect.

[Innominate]

At mark 25:50 KMcC is talking about the curtains on Oprah.

I'm listening to her words and watching the hand gestures, and  I'm getting the impression that the curtains were closed at that time. Is this impression correct? Opinions welcome.

[Robittybob1]

At mark 25:50 KMcC is talking about the curtains on Oprah.

I'm listening to her words and watching the hand gestures, and  I'm getting the impression that the curtains were closed at that time. Is this impression correct? Opinions welcome.

It was the net curtains that wooshed IMO.

[Benice]

To get back on topic:
 According to this video 2 items of Madeleine's clothing were alerted to by Eddie at the gym.  Yet another complete fabrication.

IMO if the McCanns had been arrested - all the lies and disinformation included in this video would have been presented as evidence in court.

Apart from LC and her brother - I have no idea how many people are in prison as a result of Amaral's investigative 'skills'.    But if this is an example of how he 'builds' cases against his suspects - they have my utmost sympathy.

AIMHO

[jassi]

It was the net curtains that wooshed IMO.

How could the net curtains woosh if the heavier curtains were closed?

[G-Unit]

At mark 25:50 KMcC is talking about the curtains on Oprah.

I'm listening to her words and watching the hand gestures, and  I'm getting the impression that the curtains were closed at that time. Is this impression correct? Opinions welcome.

I have no opinion, but I have evidence suggesting that the curtains were found open. Then they became closed;

On our arrival we had lowered the blind-style shutters on the outside of the windows, which were controlled from
the inside, and closed the curtains. We left them that way all week. This early in the season, the nights were not that warm, there was no need to open a window and we reasoned that having the shutters down and the curtains drawn would keep it cool during the day. Although it meant the room was very dark, the children weren’t going to be in there in the daytime, and at night we always left the door ajar to let in a little light.......

As I ran back into the children’s room the closed curtains flew up in a gust of wind. My heart lurched as I saw now that, behind them, the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all the way up.
[Madeleine]

She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

 the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the blinds were raised and the curtains were drawn open.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open on one side, the external blinds almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE'S bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cribs. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scene that she found when she entered the apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[Robittybob1]

How could the net curtains woosh if the heavier curtains were closed?

At that stage they weren't were they.

[sadie]

How could the net curtains woosh if the heavier curtains were closed?

Is that evidence that an
'ALLEGED' abductor had been in and messed with the heavier curtains ?   &%+((£

[Benice]

Sorry to wake you all up folks - however to get back on topic:

Amaral claims in this video that body fluids were detected by the dogs in the curtains in 5a.    Not true.

Keela did not alert at all to the curtain on her first search on 31st July.

On the second search on 3rd August she alerted to the curtain (which she missed the first time round) - but despite extensive tests by FSS -  nothing whatsoever could be detected.   No bodily fluids.  Zilch.

Quote

The alerts by Keela
Apartment 5A - 31.07.2007

* between 20h47 and 21.20 the "blood" dog alerted:
- at 21h10 in the lounge, specifically on the floor behind the sofa next to the window that overlooks the street.
 
On the 1st of August a forensic team collected samples at the apartment.  Here's the relevant part of their report :

Quote
He advised further that after the recovery of the tiles the animal specialised in detection of human blood should perform another search of the area from where the tiles had been recovered to verify [check for] the existence of possible human blood in the area from where the tiles had been lifted.
 
Apartment 5A 03.08.2007

19.19 The dog “marked” an area of tiles in the living room, next to the window and behind the sofa.
19.20 The dog “marked” the lower part of the left white coloured curtain of the window behind the sofa.
End quote

IMO - as Keela did not alert to the white curtain on her first search - and  as no traces of anything at all were found when the curtain was tested by FSS after she did alert to it 3 days later -  it is possible that this alert was a false one.   And if it wasn't - it still shows that the amount of time spent searching was a major factor.  i.e. The longer a dog is given to search - the more chance there is of an alert.

This supports my opinion that if more time had been given to searching the other apartments and other cars - then alerts in those areas may well have been the result.

AIMHO

[pathfinder73]

Keela can alert to blood that forensics cannot find. Blood being recovered under a tile is very telling. You can't clean up there.

On scent of success: sniffer dog Keela earns more than her Chief Constable
HER detective work is unsurpassed, her dedication to duty during some of Britain’s most challenging murder cases unfailing.
Keela, a 16-month-old springer spaniel, has become such an asset to South Yorkshire Police that she now earns more than the chief constable.
Her sense of smell, so keen that she can sniff traces of blood on weapons that have been scrubbed after attacks, has her so much in demand by forces up and down the country that she is hired out at £530 a day, plus expenses.
The Times December 30, 2005
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/on-scent-of-success-sniffer-dog-keela-earns-more-than-her-chief-constable-2lwgph6kk9b

Service Information 1 August 2007
By Joao Direito, Inspector

Recovery of possible trace evidence

I bring to your attention in accordance with instructions received, that today, around 20h00, LPC Assistant Specialists Fernando Viegas and Lino Rodrigues, after seeing recorded images relating to the canine inspection conducted on 31 July 2007 in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, duly explained in an official statement in the case file, they proceeded to collect [recover] the floor tiles where the dogs used in the activity indicated [alerted to] the possible existence of blood traces along with the position of a cadaver in that location.

Those tiles were lifted from the floor, in a way to preserve the possible traces intact for them to be subjected to examination by an authorised laboratory.

The activity was filmed in a way to illustrate the manner in which the uplifting was performed and the tools used, allowing that the experts would have a better understanding of all the circumstances inherent in the removal action. This resulted in the recordings of two video cassettes (Mini DV) which are attached.
The LPC officers are going to produce the official report.
That is all I have to advise.
Inspector, Joao Direito.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

[ShiningInLuz]

I'm finding it somewhat difficult to evaluate this opus, but I suppose I need to put it through the lens of a Portuguese viewer who watches CMTV, and who is aware of the Madeleine case but is not an expert on it.

Roughly speaking, it appears to be a Portuguese equivalent of a British tabloid.

There is a considerable amount that is plain wrong, but viewers with low-grade knowledge would find it hard not to 'buy' such errors.

It came over with a distinct hint of St George v The Dragon.  With Gonçalo Amaral cast as St George, and The Dragon played by British diplomats and police.

I was in touch with 7 media bods leading up to the 10th anniversary.  Only 1, a researcher for Panorama, seemed to have a detailed knowledge of the case.  I found it hard to simplify things down enough.  I am more used to discussing things with some of the experts on here, where we do detail and cites.

That means I have no reason to believe that the two CMTV presenters have any significant expertise in the case, so they could find it hard to know if errors crept in.

Having looked up how much film drones cost (they start dirt cheap) I am now getting bombarded with ads for the blighters.  And that was what I got from this CMTV special.  Some nice drone footage of it ShiningInLuz.

We had quite a few cloudy days between the start of the year and 3 May 2017.  About half the time, the weather conditions in my record don't fit the film conditions.  I could narrow it down, but does anyone care?

I think I'm going to have to get some Portuguese opinion on this CMTV effort.   

 

[Brietta]

I'm finding it somewhat difficult to evaluate this opus, but I suppose I need to put it through the lens of a Portuguese viewer who watches CMTV, and who is aware of the Madeleine case but is not an expert on it.

Roughly speaking, it appears to be a Portuguese equivalent of a British tabloid.

There is a considerable amount that is plain wrong, but viewers with low-grade knowledge would find it hard not to 'buy' such errors.

It came over with a distinct hint of St George v The Dragon.  With Gonçalo Amaral cast as St George, and The Dragon played by British diplomats and police.

I was in touch with 7 media bods leading up to the 10th anniversary.  Only 1, a researcher for Panorama, seemed to have a detailed knowledge of the case.  I found it hard to simplify things down enough.  I am more used to discussing things with some of the experts on here, where we do detail and cites.

That means I have no reason to believe that the two CMTV presenters have any significant expertise in the case, so they could find it hard to know if errors crept in.

Having looked up how much film drones cost (they start dirt cheap) I am now getting bombarded with ads for the blighters.  And that was what I got from this CMTV special.  Some nice drone footage of it ShiningInLuz.

We had quite a few cloudy days between the start of the year and 3 May 2017.  About half the time, the weather conditions in my record don't fit the film conditions.  I could narrow it down, but does anyone care?

I think I'm going to have to get some Portuguese opinion on this CMTV effort.   

 

I would be interested in Portuguese opinion.  Who would you ask?  Someone who is reasonably well informed and someone who is not?

[ShiningInLuz]

I would be interested in Portuguese opinion.  Who would you ask?  Someone who is reasonably well informed and someone who is not?

I am more interested in someone who is not particularly well informed.  I suspect those well informed made up their minds years ago, and this effort changed zero amongst those.

When we finally move, I am thinking about getting our estate agent and gf to eat with us and hopefully get an honest opinion.

Allegedly.