CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[Angelo222]

Amaral must know that the cadaver alerts have no evidential value .........we are not allowed to discuss why he uses them as though they do

The words used by the expert was 'evidential reliabity' which clearly means that the evidence cannot be relied upon but nevertheless is strongly suggestive that cadaver odour was present.  Add to that the fact that only property and belongings associated with the parents produced dog alerts and you have enough to create suspicion. 

[Mr Gray]

The words used by the expert was 'evidential reliabity' which clearly means that the evidence cannot be relied upon but nevertheless is strongly suggestive that cadaver odour was present.  Add to that the fact that only property and belongings associated with the parents produced dog ray's

 and you have enough to create suspicion.

There was no strongly suggestive
You must be mistaken
More misinformation

The reason only the mccanns belonging
So we're alerted to was because the dogs were repeatedly brought back

[Angelo222]

There was no strongly suggestive
You must be mistaken
More misinformation

The reason only the mccanns belonging
So we're alerted to was because the dogs were repeatedly brought back

Deny it all you want but according to the expert dog handler Martin Grime...

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

As for bringing the dog back, Grime explained how the inspections were carried out and why the dog was returned to an area of interest. Eddie was a remarkable dog, attempts to play down his many successes in solving crimes is the real misinformation.

[Mr Gray]

Deny it all you want but according to the expert dog handler Martin Grime...

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

As for bringing the dog back, Grime explained how the inspections were carried out and why the dog was returned to an area of interest. Eddie was a remarkable dog, attempts to play down his many successes in solving crimes is the real misinformation.

you claimed strongly suggestive...grime never said that....that is misinformation

Eddie does not have many successes over his 5 years...more misinformation

Eddie was not called back to any cars in the car park....just the one with all the stickers on it

I have no problem with the dog being called back....but the alerts need to be seen for what they really are and that is of no evidentiasl value

[Angelo222]

you claimed strongly suggestive...grime never said that....that is misinformation

Eddie does not have many successes over his 5 years...more misinformation

Eddie was not called back to any cars in the car park....just the one with all the stickers on it

I have no problem with the dog being called back....but the alerts need to be seen for what they really are and that is of no evidentiasl value

As it presently stands the alerts are suggestive that cadaver contaminant was present but that will change when and if a cadaver is found.  Amaral is correct to refer to the dog alerts but I do agree that he is wrong to infer that they are in any way proof that Maddie died in 5a.

[Mr Gray]

As it presently stands the alerts are suggestive that cadaver contaminant was present but that will change when and if a cadaver is found.  Amaral is correct to refer to the dog alerts but I do agree that he is wrong to infer that they are in any way proof that Maddie died in 5a.

suggestive...not strongly suggestive as you originally posted.....and amaral is wrong to refer to them as evidence...never mind proof

[Angelo222]

suggestive...not strongly suggestive as you originally posted.....and amaral is wrong to refer to them as evidence...never mind proof

I disagree.  The alerts occurred as part of a formal police investigation, they are indisputable fact and as such form part of the evidence in this case otherwise their existence would not have been recorded in the way they were within the files. You know very well that evidence and proof are two very different entities.  Evidence is still evidence even though it has no evidential reliability.

[Mr Gray]

I disagree.  The alerts occurred as part of a formal police investigation, they are indisputable fact and as such form part of the evidence in this case otherwise their existence would not have been recorded in the way they were within the files. You know very well that evidence and proof are two very different entities.  Evidence is still evidence even though it has no evidential reliability.

Evidence that has no reliability is useless

[misty]

I disagree.  The alerts occurred as part of a formal police investigation, they are indisputable fact and as such form part of the evidence in this case otherwise their existence would not have been recorded in the way they were within the files. You know very well that evidence and proof are two very different entities.  Evidence is still evidence even though it has no evidential reliability.

....Just as newspaper cut-outs are "indisputable facts" & form part of the evidence in the PJ files, having been written by respected journalists.

[ShiningInLuz]

....Just as newspaper cut-outs are "indisputable facts" & form part of the evidence in the PJ files, having been written by respected journalists.

They've got the licence date for Calpol24 correct.  What more can anyone want?  It would have saved us yards of typing in the Calpol thread.

[Mr Gray]

They've got the licence date for Calpol24 correct.  What more can anyone want?  It would have saved us yards of typing in the Calpol thread.

as calpol is not a sedative it isnt really relevant apart from demonstrating another gap in amarals knowledge

[ShiningInLuz]

as calpol is not a sedative it isnt really relevant apart from demonstrating another gap in amarals knowledge

There are times when I wonder whether you can be described as a supporter, in reality.

THE ARCHIVING REPORT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AMARAL.

The newspaper pages are interesting.  They point to Brian Healy and The Sun as the source of 'to help them sleep'.  Then they describe the actions of Calpol.

Perhaps in your desire to Amaral-bash, you are missing the evidence.  Simply trotting out the word 'Amaral' repetitively is moving us not one jot forward.

 

[Mr Gray]

There are times when I wonder whether you can be described as a supporter, in reality.

THE ARCHIVING REPORT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AMARAL.

The newspaper pages are interesting.  They point to Brian Healy and The Sun as the source of 'to help them sleep'.  Then they describe the actions of Calpol.

Perhaps in your desire to Amaral-bash, you are missing the evidence.  Simply trotting out the word 'Amaral' repetitively is moving us not one jot forward.

 

calpol is not a sedative.....of course the archiving report had nothing to do with amaral...it said there was no evidence of any crime by the mccanns

[G-Unit]

It's encouraging to see that this forum has no official stance. Unlike other fora it can't be labelled as 'sceptic' or 'supporter'. The public in-fighting among the mods on here clearly demonstrates the forum's lack of bias.

[Eleanor]

It's encouraging to see that this forum has no official stance. Unlike other fora it can't be labelled as 'sceptic' or 'supporter'. The public in-fighting among the mods on here clearly demonstrates the forum's lack of bias.

Too bloody true.  Be sure of that.