CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[Robittybob1]

https://youtu.be/tUHp85TyJ0Y?t=963

"When Jane Tanner, who leaves the restaurant to go and see her daughter and passes by them ..."
"and sees a man with a child in his lap at the end of the street ...."
"So she says from here up to there, there on the road in the first version she ...."
"says she saw the feet and the  man at a glance, cannot describe but after that her testimony grows all along ..."
"It has been enriched over the years. But the point for us it did not happen because ..."
" they (Gerry and Jeremiah) did not see her, ....
"and the question is what happened, and what happened everyday .... there was no reason ...."
" to go that day and hour up here, the access through this area between ...."
 " the restaurant area and swimming pools.
Rear of the inhabited apartment which is ..."
"here ahead, so it was the shortest and most comfortable access and did not pass through the other side ..."
"Female reporter:  And the balconies themselves have street access, they are not walled ..."
Amaral: "These are the entrances here, with the little gardens, the access to the back ..."
"doors that were all open.  This is all about how to access the apartments ..."
"as the father (Gerry) of the child said it is the question of proving that the children ..."
"were safe.  They were all closed and you could only access ...
"the apartments by the main door, which is a lie.
They accessed the apartments and did so through the back doors ....

https://youtu.be/tUHp85TyJ0Y?t=1051 

[G-Unit]

"DCI Redwood said police ruled out the Tanner sighting shortly after learning a night creche had been in operation at the resort.

When they traced families that used it they discovered a dad who had picked up his daughter that night matched the description in the Tanner sighting. He added: “I would say it was a revelation moment.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1062739/two-name-suspect/


Crecheman was one of a very small contingent of parents who used the night creche on 3 May 2007.

The children whose parents had used the night creche were signed in and they were signed out.
The nannies who knew and looked after the children in the night creche and who helped in the search for Madeleine would have had that information to hand.
That information was available to the initial investigation for cross checking in 2007 ... which is apparently what Scotland Yard did in 2013.

If the initial investigation had exercised that same diligence they would have found that snippet of information way back then.
But from investigators who had no experience of missing children investigation and described:"From the word go, they did not take this crime seriously." http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/05/11/madeleine-mccann-olive-press-editor-talks-first-journalist-scene-10th-anniversary-disappearance/   and who also failed to visit residents living in close proximity, for example Moyes and Fenn ~ perhaps such an obvious line of inquiry didn't even suggest itself.

There is no evidence that children were signed in and out of the night creche. There is no evidence that OG managed to unearth such a sheet years afterwards.

Is there evidence that the Portuguese police didn't call on people? Also, people don't always talk about the important stuff. Jeremy Wilkins was an important witness, but he had no idea. When he contacted the police on the Friday it was to tell them he'd seen a suspicious person the night before. Interesting how that story changed over time;
4th May
while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant.

Or;
7th May
I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I could not see inside the restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

Or;
8th April 2008
I saw a man that was coming from the road and was headed to the reception. I believe that he was with a woman but I cannot be precise of any detail about her. It was a tall Caucasian man, with blonde hair in 'rasta style' tied with a band instead of free flowing. When I arrived, I headed to the WC near the pool area. He also was in the WC but appeared to be a taking a long time. I do not remember if he was still in that place when I left.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

Wasn't there doubts expressed by Goncalo Amaral as to what Jane saw?  I can hardly follow GA as to what he thinks Jane was seeing.

In chapter 7 of his book (the one starting with the shitzu demise) he expresses exactly what is his interpretation of what Jane saw.  It is utter balderdash which has nonetheless passed into the lexicon of misinformation he generated about the case.
That is not opinion ... that is fact.

Much of which is reinforced in O Enigma.

[G-Unit]

In chapter 7 of his book (the one starting with the shitzu demise) he expresses exactly what is his interpretation of what Jane saw.  It is utter balderdash which has nonetheless passed into the lexicon of misinformation he generated about the case.
That is not opinion ... that is fact.

Much of which is reinforced in O Enigma.

I can't find an interpretation of what Jane saw in Chapter 7.  Dare I ask for a quote of this utter balderdash?

[Robittybob1]

I can't find an interpretation of what Jane saw in Chapter 7.  Dare I ask for a quote of this utter balderdash?

Do you agree with what he says about Jane's sighting in O Enigma?

[G-Unit]

Do you agree with what he says about Jane's sighting in O Enigma?

Why don't you tell me what he says? Or do you want me to watch the whole video and then report back?

[Robittybob1]

Why don't you tell me what he says? Or do you want me to watch the whole video and then report back?

https://youtu.be/tUHp85TyJ0Y?t=1051  He seems to rewrite her statement as if it was jello.

[stephen25000]

https://youtu.be/tUHp85TyJ0Y?t=1051  He seems to rewrite her statement as if it was jello.

Do you really believe that all 'witnesses' tell the truth ?

[Robittybob1]

Do you really believe that all 'witnesses' tell the truth ?

Whatever I believe we can't libel anyone on the forum.

[Robittybob1]

Why don't you tell me what he says? Or do you want me to watch the whole video and then report back?

He talks in Portuguese and it is not that easy for us to understand.

[Benice]

I can't find an interpretation of what Jane saw in Chapter 7.  Dare I ask for a quote of this utter balderdash?

It's utter balderdash to claim that JT made a FORMAL identification of Murat.  If she had there would a FORMAL signed witness statement from her to that effect.    Her identification of Murat would have been the prime reason given in the Final report as to why he was made an arguido imo.   So why wasn't it?

Why doesn't Amaral explain in his book why he sent JT  home at a time when it would be absolutely vital that a witness statement from her claiming  Murat as 'definitely' being the man she saw would be required as a matter of urgency.     After all - this was without doubt the most important piece of evidence he had against Murat.

Where are the statements from the PJ officers with her - who could also confirm that she had made a positive identification - if she had?

Once again he omits key parts of what  happened in order to manipulate his readers into thinking what he wants them to think happened rather than what I think happened.

AIMHO


Must go out now....

[G-Unit]

https://youtu.be/tUHp85TyJ0Y?t=1051  He seems to rewrite her statement as if it was jello.

He is speculating as others have. Heriberto Janosch speculates that her sighting happened later than she said, for example. The first time her sighting is mentioned by Gerry the passageway is mentioned too, so Amaral has some basis for thinking that's where she was when she saw the man and child.

At about 21.20, their friend Jane passed by the apartment (along the corridor of the main entrance) she saw an individual carrying a child
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm#p15p3862

[stephen25000]

He talks in Portuguese and it is not that easy for us to understand.

Wow.

A Portuguese man speaking Portuguese.

[Robittybob1]

Wow.

A Portuguese man speaking Portuguese.

Well you write it down then.

[stephen25000]

Well you write it down then.

Unfortunately I am not conversant in that language. I suppose we could use Klinzhai.