Author Topic: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window  (Read 20040 times)

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stephen25000

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Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2017, 10:46:01 AM »

....and accepting that even the most loving parents can make mistakes - as A&E depts in every hospital can testify on a daily basis.

It's obvious to me that Madeleine was truly wanted, loved and adored by her parents.  This loving, happy family was in the wrong place at the wrong time IMO - in the same way that Ben Needham, Sara Payne and Jamie Bulger's families, amongst others, also were.

All those children's parents have suffered criticism and denigration by some.  None of it even remotely deserved IMO.    It's just plain cruel.

It's noticeable that the parents of other abducted children who have met with or spoken to the McCanns all support them and believe that Madeleine was a abducted.       If anyone could spot a fake it would be those people IMO.   They couldn't be more expert on the subject if they tried.

IMO

The McCann's made the same 'mistake' for every night they were there until and including the night Madeleine 'disappeared'.

It wasn't a one off.

It was a deliberate action, because they thought they knew better.
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Offline Brietta

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2017, 11:03:55 AM »
The McCann's made the same 'mistake' for every night they were there.

It wasn't a one off.

It was a deliberate action, because they thought they knew better.
To get back to the topic ... which refers to the fact that Kate McCann was alerted to the fact that there was something amiss ... when she saw the curtains in Madeleine's bed room being blown by a gust of air.

I fail to see what the problem is and why we require an in depth discussion.  The internet is full of illustrations of curtains blowing in the breeze at open windows ... so no great mystery there.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2017, 11:05:34 AM »
To get back to the topic ... which refers to the fact that Kate McCann was alerted to the fact that there was something amiss ... when she saw the curtains in Madeleine's bed room being blown by a gust of air.

I fail to see what the problem is and why we require an in depth discussion.  The internet is full of illustrations of curtains blowing in the breeze at open windows ... so no great mystery there.

We do not know for a fact, the window was open.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2017, 11:08:46 AM »
We do not know for a fact, the window was open.



The police believed that the McCanns are telling the truth
That's what's important
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stephen25000

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Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2017, 11:10:29 AM »
The police believed that the McCanns are telling the truth
That's what's important

...and how many police didn't or don't believe the McCann's ?

Offline Erngath

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #65 on: June 17, 2017, 11:13:32 AM »
...and how many police didn't or don't believe the McCann's ?


The police who matter do! imo.imo.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

stephen25000

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Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #66 on: June 17, 2017, 11:17:33 AM »

The police who matter do! imo.imo.

...and what have these police 'who matter' achieved ?


Offline G-Unit

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #67 on: June 17, 2017, 11:17:57 AM »
I would bet my house that the majority of parents of children who end up in A&E are essentially to blame - either because they took their eye off the ball,or they made an error of judgement etc etc.    Fortunately not being a perfect parent at all times isn't a crime in this country.   Unless your name is McCann of course.

The McCanns tried for a family for years - and then eventually resorted to IVF.  Surely that in itself is a measure of their deep longing for a child.  They were so delighted to have Madeleine  - they decided to have more children.   

There are loads of family photographs showing what a lovely life Madeleine had - some would say 'privileged' compared to many other children.  The McCann's joy at being parents also shines through many photos - and videos imo.

Not a single person who actually knows them has a bad word to say about them - either as parents or people.    Quite the opposite in fact.

Anyone who has any doubts that Madeleine was not wanted, loved and adored needs to back it up with evidence IMO.

There are many dangers in life and even the most careful parent can't have eyes in the back of their heads. It takes just a moment for a child to have an accident.

On the other hand, leaving three small children unsupervised in an unlocked apartment for four evenings on the trot is a conscious decision to take your eye off the ball. You have decided to leave those children alone despite the fact that they can access all the various dangers in the home. They can also get out and access other dangers. It's not a mistake it's a sign of bad judgement.

Your 'evidence' that MBM was wanted, loved and adored consists of;

IVF treatment was used.
OK, I agree they wanted a child.

They did it again 'because they were delighted to have Madeleine'
Was that the reason? I don't know and, I suspect, neither do you.

Photo's and videos of MBM's life.
You have given your interpretation of this evidence. Others have interpreted it differently.

Friends and relatives didn't criticise them.
They were unlikely to do so; at least publicly, considering the circumstances.

You ask for evidence which might create doubt, but seem unable to produce incontrovertible evidence to support your claims.

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Offline Eleanor

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #68 on: June 17, 2017, 11:20:45 AM »
There are many dangers in life and even the most careful parent can't have eyes in the back of their heads. It takes just a moment for a child to have an accident.

On the other hand, leaving three small children unsupervised in an unlocked apartment for four evenings on the trot is a conscious decision to take your eye off the ball. You have decided to leave those children alone despite the fact that they can access all the various dangers in the home. They can also get out and access other dangers. It's not a mistake it's a sign of bad judgement.

Your 'evidence' that MBM was wanted, loved and adored consists of;

IVF treatment was used.
OK, I agree they wanted a child.

They did it again 'because they were delighted to have Madeleine'
Was that the reason? I don't know and, I suspect, neither do you.

Photo's and videos of MBM's life.
You have given your interpretation of this evidence. Others have interpreted it differently.

Friends and relatives didn't criticise them.
They were unlikely to do so; at least publicly, considering the circumstances.

You ask for evidence which might create doubt, but seem unable to produce incontrovertible evidence to support your claims.

And you haven't produced evidence of what you appear to believe.

Offline G-Unit

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #69 on: June 17, 2017, 11:31:07 AM »
And you haven't produced evidence of what you appear to believe.

I haven't said what I believe. I am debating what others believe and asking why they believe it. So far their evidence is sparse imo.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2017, 11:32:07 AM »
...and how many police didn't or don't believe the McCann's ?

SY consider the McCanns are not suspects
That's all that matters

Offline Mr Gray

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2017, 11:34:31 AM »
I haven't said what I believe. I am debating what others believe and asking why they believe it. So far their evidence is sparse imo.
It's not worthy of debate
It would be like debating if they were swingers
It's a given that Maddie was loved and wanted

Offline Erngath

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #72 on: June 17, 2017, 11:41:07 AM »
...and what have these police 'who matter' achieved ?

More than those who do not matter. imo imo
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

stephen25000

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Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #73 on: June 17, 2017, 11:49:16 AM »
More than those who do not matter. imo imo

You can of course cite evidence of that.

Offline jassi

Re: There were nets that wooshed and drapes on the window
« Reply #74 on: June 17, 2017, 11:50:28 AM »
More than those who do not matter. imo imo

Would you care to expand on that & tell us what has been achieved?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future