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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2017, 09:24:23 AM »
The absence of evidence against the McCann's supports the argument they are innocent. It doesn't prove innocence.
Anything that supports a conjecture is evidence

stephen25000

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Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2017, 09:26:25 AM »
The absence of evidence against the McCann's supports the argument they are innocent. It doesn't prove innocence.
Anything that supports a conjecture is evidence

IYO,

Offline jassi

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2017, 09:32:52 AM »
The absence of evidence against the McCann's supports the argument they are innocent. It doesn't prove innocence.
Anything that supports a conjecture is evidence

Even if it might be false ?
« Last Edit: July 16, 2017, 09:36:26 AM by jassi »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2017, 09:47:55 AM »
That is one case
But the absence of evidence has to be evidence of innocence
Not proof but evidence
It is simple logic

It only took the sighting of one black swan to destroy the theory that all swans were white. 

It destroys your idea that absence of evidence is evidence of innocence.

Your understanding of logic is faulty, by the way. 

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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2017, 09:49:47 AM »
I cannot claim the parents have not been interviewed, without providing cites thereof.  A C Rowley appeared to confirm this, but he was a bit wobbly.

On the other hand, anyone claiming they have been interviewed should find it easy to provide cites to support this.  Let's see - Kate and Gerry of course, DCI Andy Redwood, DCI Nicola Wall, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, A C Rowley, what's his name above DCI Nicola Wall, Clarence Mitchell, any of the T9.  So it should be easy, but thus far, not a cheep.

So your opinion is seemingly completely unfounded.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2017, 01:42:43 PM by John »
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2017, 09:54:17 AM »
I cannot claim the parents have not been interviewed, without providing cites thereof.  A C Rowley appeared to confirm this, but he was a bit wobbly.

On the other hand, anyone claiming they have been interviewed should find it easy to provide cites to support this.  Let's see - Kate and Gerry of course, DCI Andy Redwood, DCI Nicola Wall, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, A C Rowley, what's his name above DCI Nicola Wall, Clarence Mitchell, any of the T9.  So it should be easy, but thus far, not a cheep.

So your opinion is seemingly completely unfounded.

You claim Rowley seem to confirm this
You are wrong...quite wrong
He said clearly that they had not been interviewed under caution
He did not say they have not been interviewed
My claim is not unfounded
It is founded on normal police practice
To suggest the McCann's have not been interviewed by DAY is totally absurd imo
« Last Edit: July 16, 2017, 01:43:10 PM by John »

stephen25000

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Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2017, 09:56:09 AM »
You claim Rowley seem to confirm this
You are wrong...quite wrong
He said clearly that they had not been interviewed under caution
He did not say they have not been interviewed

The parents have not been investigated.

OG relied on their flawed interpretation of the shelving report.

Offline jassi

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2017, 10:01:24 AM »
That's reviewing, not investigating - IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2017, 10:05:10 AM »
OG didn't investigate.

They misunderstood the shelving report.

...and they were not the only ones who 'misunderstood'.

it  remains the fact that the mccans were the last to see maddie  doesnt it??

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2017, 10:06:02 AM »
OG didn't investigate.

They misunderstood the shelving report.

...and they were not the only ones who 'misunderstood'.

I would say they did investigate and they did understand the archiving report
It was quite simple

stephen25000

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Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2017, 10:07:04 AM »
it  remains the fact that the mccans were the last to see maddie  doesnt it??

The last known people Carly.

That hasn't changed in 10 years.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2017, 10:07:55 AM »
That's reviewing, not investigating - IMO
So you accept that SY review​ed the evidence against the mccanns
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2017, 10:11:29 AM »
The last known people Carly.

That hasn't changed in 10 years.
And that is why SY would have interviewed thrm

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2017, 10:12:34 AM »
This is true Stephen - but what you said yesterday is also true:-

Quote
"As we are often told, a lack of evidence does not mean innocence, and neither does it mean evidence may not  emerge or be found."
unquote

I think it's obvious that no evidence against the McCanns or their friends has 'emerged or been found' during the SY/Oporto team investigations otherwise it would have been acted upon.     IMO it's only barmy conspiracy theorists who think it would be ignored, hidden or destroyed.

Totally true

stephen25000

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Re: Is absence of evidence.... evidence of innocence
« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2017, 10:20:46 AM »
And that is why SY would have interviewed thrm

Cite  when they were interviewed then.