Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[Robittybob1]

Tell me Sadie, how would you prove the hairs and partial fingerprints were made that night ?

You are clutching at straws.

Sometimes these cases take years to get the right evidence.

[stephen25000]

Sometimes these cases take years to get the right evidence.

It doesn't mean it is relevant evidence in this case.

[sadie]

Tell me Sadie, how would you prove the hairs and partial fingerprints were made that night ?

You are clutching at straws.

Tell me stephen how could you prove that the dried blood from a living person which the dogs alerted to were made that night?  Remember that they alerted to such blood that was up to 30 years old.

You and your side are clutching at straws.



At least with the hairs, which if I remember correctly were on the bed linen, must have been left there very recently.

The unidentified fingerprints, had they bothered with them, might have had other finger prints partially overlaying them or they might have overlaid family fingerprints.  Forensics could, I would have thought, have identified any food residue on the prints and any work related dust.  That could have dated them possibly and pointed in certain directions.

But no-one bothered to check them.  More important, it seems, to find something to try and tie The Mccanns to Madeleines supposed demise.  Right from the word 'GO', it appears that was all Amaral was interested in

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

Tell me stephen how could you prove that the dried blood from a living person which the dogs alerted to were made that night?  Remember that they alerted to such blood that was up to 30 years old.

You and your side are clutching at straws.



At least with the hairs, which if I remember correctly were on the bed linen, must have been left there very recently.

The unidentified fingerprints, had they bothered with them, might have had other finger prints partially overlaying them or they might have overlaid family fingerprints.  Forensics could, I would have thought, have identified any food residue on the prints and any work related dust.  That could have dated them possibly and pointed in certain directions.

But no-one bothered to check them.  More important, it seems, to find something to try and tie The Mccanns to Madeleines supposed demise.  Right from the word 'GO', it appears that was all Amaral was interested in

AIMHO

Recommend you do some research on forensic science and D.N.A. fingerprinting.

[sadie]

Recommend you do some research on forensic science and D.N.A. fingerprinting.

Please specify what is wrong with what i am saying

I would have thought it easy peasy in this modern age to check any food traces for age and type, over-lapping finger prints and to check for work related dust in finger prints.

The blood alerts are well recorded as happening when dried blood from a living person is up to 30 years old.


What else was there?  ... nothing was there?

Please tell me where I was wrong IYO

[Robittybob1]

It doesn't mean it is relevant evidence in this case.

It could be in the future.  Cold cases are often solved this way.

[G-Unit]

No evidence of abduction.? Raised shutters and open window ~ a man carrying a child seconds away from the apartment ~ at least two sightings of a child resembling Madeleine in the wee small hours.

No forensic trace of a third party in the apartment. ? unidentified forensic traces recovered from the apartment.

No trace of an abductor/burglar or kidnapper. ? No burglars operating in the resort?? ... I think not ... at least two flats that we know of had been invaded in block 5.

Remember if the early investigation had taken a different path from that epitomised by the headline in the 'Diario de Noticias' ... 'A Badly Told Tale', the outcome for Madeleine might have been more a more positive one.

I don't see any evidence of abduction.

The raised shutter and open window are not independently confirmed.
The child seen by Jane Tanner didn't resemble Madeleine unless Jane can identify a child by it's legs, which are all she saw.
There was no evidence of burglary in the apartment.

[Angelo222]

I don't see any evidence of abduction.

The raised shutter and open window are not independently confirmed.
The child seen by Jane Tanner didn't resemble Madeleine unless Jane can identify a child by it's legs, which are all she saw.
There was no evidence of burglary in the apartment.

Jane Tanner never saw any open shutter and she claimed to have walked through the car park adjoining the apartment seconds after encountering crecheman.  Matt never saw it open either and he made two trips to the apartment, one to listen at the very shutter and the other in which he went into the apartment and listened at the children's bedroom door.

[Angelo222]

Please specify what is wrong with what i am saying

I would have thought it easy peasy in this modern age to check any food traces for age and type, over-lapping finger prints and to check for work related dust in finger prints.

The blood alerts are well recorded as happening when dried blood from a living person is up to 30 years old.


What else was there?  ... nothing was there?

Please tell me where I was wrong IYO

Forensics established early on that nobody entered by the bedroom window which set the scene for the investigation.  The police officers who answered the initial call and whom Kate McCann referred to as Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum in her book are on record as doubting abduction based on their observation of the parents.

[Benice]

I don't see any evidence of abduction.

The raised shutter and open window are not independently confirmed.
The child seen by Jane Tanner didn't resemble Madeleine unless Jane can identify a child by it's legs, which are all she saw.
There was no evidence of burglary in the apartment.

If people pick and choose their 'evidence' and simply ignore or choose to disbelieve evidence that doesn't suit them - then they will always end up with the result they want.

It was by using those very 'tactics' that Amaral built his case against the McCanns imo.

Fortunately, truly professional policemen who genuinely want to find the perpetrator of a crime and are not just looking for 'a result' - (regardless of who actually committed it) do not behave like that.   

AIMHO



 

[stephen25000]

If people pick and choose their 'evidence' and simply ignore or choose to disbelieve evidence that doesn't suit them - then they will always end up with the result they want.

It was by using those very 'tactics' that Amaral built his case against the McCanns imo.

Fortunately, truly professional policemen who genuinely want to find the perpetrator of a crime and are not just looking for 'a result' - (regardless of who actually committed it) do not behave like that.   

AIMHO

Oh the irony of that post, when OG has only one remit.

 *&*%£

[Benice]

Jane Tanner never saw any open shutter and she claimed to have walked through the car park adjoining the apartment seconds after encountering crecheman.  Matt never saw it open either and he made two trips to the apartment, one to listen at the very shutter and the other in which he went into the apartment and listened at the children's bedroom door.

As the diagonal path taken by those crossing the carpark was nowhere near apartment 5A which was in darkness, and not in the natural line of sight of anyone walking across it  - that is hardly surprising.    People, especially if they are in a hurry tend to look ahead to where they are going. 

Heri posted an arial piccie of the car park - showing the diagonal path taken, and also showing the extensive trees and foliage which caused the corner where 5a was to be in darkness.

If anyone can find that piccie (I haven't been able to) - it shows exactly how anything going on at 5a's would be easily missed by anyone in the few seconds it took them to cross the carpark IMO.

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

As the diagonal path taken by those crossing the carpark was nowhere near apartment 5A which was in darkness, and not in the natural line of sight of anyone walking across it  - that is hardly surprising.    People, especially if they are in a hurry tend to look ahead to where they are going. 

Heri posted an arial piccie of the car park - showing the diagonal path taken, and also showing the extensive trees and foliage which caused the corner where 5a was to be in darkness.

If anyone can find that piccie (I haven't been able to) - it shows exactly how anything going on at 5a's would be easily missed by anyone in the few seconds it took them to cross the carpark IMO.

AIMHO

Has it never occurred to you, that the shutter and window were never open ?

[Benice]

Oh the irony of that post, when OG has only one remit.

 *&*%£

It makes no difference what the remit was - the 40 odd thousand pages of 'evidence' they examined didn't change.    Anyone who thinks the professional officers of SY would ignore evidence which emerged pointing to the perpetrator of this crime whoever it was - is being unrealistic IMO.

Are you claiming that the Oporto team were not allowed to carry out their investigations in exactly the way they wanted to -  but have been restricted by a 'remit'.     They have also ruled the McCanns out of their investigations. 
AIMHO

[stephen25000]

It makes no difference what the remit was - the 40 odd thousand pages of 'evidence' they examined didn't change.    Anyone who thinks the professional officers of SY would ignore evidence which emerged pointing to the perpetrator of this crime whoever it was - is being unrealistic IMO.

Are you claiming that the Oporto team were not allowed to carry out their investigations in exactly the way they wanted to -  but have been restricted by a 'remit'.     They have also ruled the McCanns out of their investigations. 
AIMHO

They haven't investigated the McCann's.

They were off limits.

Have you forgotten why Sutton refused to take on OG ?