Discussion of points raised in Danny Collins' book Vanished ...

[G-Unit]

The journalists do not know that case in as much detail as those of us who have followed it for ten years

To call oneself an investigative journalist one needs to look at things in depth and attempt to uncover new details or evidence. I can see no evidence that Collins did anything of the kind.

[Robittybob1]

To call oneself an investigative journalist one needs to look at things in depth and attempt to uncover new details or evidence. I can see no evidence that Collins did anything of the kind.

He came up with the idea that the PJ rushed to make Kate and Gerry arguidos before the new law on arguidos came into operation.

[G-Unit]

He came up with the idea that the PJ rushed to make Kate and Gerry arguidos before the new law on arguidos came into operation.

Speculation.

[Mr Gray]

To call oneself an investigative journalist one needs to look at things in depth and attempt to uncover new details or evidence. I can see no evidence that Collins did anything of the kind.

have you read his book

[ShiningInLuz]

have you read his book

I have, as I explained near the start of this thread.

I picked up nothing of interest on the Madeleine McCann case, merely chunks of misinformation.  Collins did cover the Michael Cook case (exchange in Parliament) in an appendix, which was as accurate as Hansard is.

I got the distinct impression that Mr Collins had cobbled his book together, at long range from Luz, using published media articles.  If so, it would be as accurate or inaccurate as those early reports were.

[Robittybob1]

Speculation.

Well in a days more the PJ would have had to have evidence and not just suspicion.  The fact is they had no evidence therefore in a few more days they could not have made the McCanns an arguido.

[Mr Gray]

I have, as I explained near the start of this thread.

I picked up nothing of interest on the Madeleine McCann case, merely chunks of misinformation.  Collins did cover the Michael Cook case (exchange in Parliament) in an appendix, which was as accurate as Hansard is.

I got the distinct impression that Mr Collins had cobbled his book together, at long range from Luz, using published media articles.  If so, it would be as accurate or inaccurate as those early reports were.

my question was specifically directed at gunit in resonse to her post

[Robittybob1]

my question was specifically directed at gunit in resonse to her post

She'll answer too in due course.

[ShiningInLuz]

my question was specifically directed at gunit in resonse to her post

Try the PM system, or @G-Unit, rather than open forum.

I replied because G-Unit's post struck me as having veracity.   

[Mr Gray]

Try the PM system, or @G-Unit, rather than open forum.

I replied because G-Unit's post struck me as having veracity.   

no...i specifically asked gunit if she had read the book....I wasnt interested in the fact that you had read the book...

so if you are going to reply to the post you need to tell me if gunit has read the book.....thats the question.....perhaps you simply misunderstood

[G-Unit]

have you read his book

I read enough to tell me that his effort was minimal.

The McCanns didn't book a ten day holiday.
Madeleine was not with her brother as she climbed the steps of the plane.
The McCanns didn't go to the beach or the Paraiso on 3rd May.
Kate McCann didn't lower the shutters on the children's bedroom window after putting them into bed.
The Oldfields didn't have two daughters.
Madeleine's Fund does not have trustees.
I never before heard that Brian Kennedy was Praia da Luz based.
There were no patrols by Ocean Club security guards.
The Paynes were on the first floor, not the ground floor.
Matthew Oldfield didn't check his child by going through his garden gate at 9.38pm
The twins didn't whimper when Kate discovered Madeleine was missing.
Kate's hysterical shouts didn't bring Charlotte Pennington from a nearby apartment where she was on watch.

[Robittybob1]

I read enough to tell me that his effort was minimal.

The McCanns didn't book a ten day holiday.
Madeleine was not with her brother as she climbed the steps of the plane.
The McCanns didn't go to the beach or the Paraiso on 3rd May.
Kate McCann didn't lower the shutters on the children's bedroom window after putting them into bed.
The Oldfields didn't have two daughters.
Madeleine's Fund does not have trustees.
I never before heard that Brian Kennedy was Praia da Luz based.
There were no patrols by Ocean Club security guards.
The Paynes were on the first floor, not the ground floor.
Matthew Oldfield didn't check his child by going through his garden gate at 9.38pm
The twins didn't whimper when Kate discovered Madeleine was missing.
Kate's hysterical shouts didn't bring Charlotte Pennington from a nearby apartment where she was on watch.

It is easy for us to get the facts now but in the first year before the file was released maybe it was a lot more difficult.

[Lace]

I don't forget, Sadie. Who are these 'several people'? Who asked Matt to go? Why didn't the receptionist see him on either of his alleged visits? Why did Kate question John Hill at around 10.35;

‘Where are the police?’ I yelled at him.[Madeleine]

I think he went with John Hill just then to call them. The receptionist thought he was Gerry.

Then a lady appeared on a balcony – I’m fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived – and, in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ [Madeleine]

Kate places the interaction with Mrs Fenn well after John Hill's visit. Who are you going to believe, Sadie?

Kate probably yelled at John Hill 'where are the police'   because they had been called and not turned up.

John Hill says in his statement,   he went to reception to check that the Police had been called.  -


The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. The deponent thinks that the GNR arrived at the scene at about 22.45, however in a conversation several weeks later, he heard someone say, he doesn't remember whom, that they had arrived at about 23.30, but as he was so busy he declared that he had no notion of the passage of time.

[Mr Gray]

I read enough to tell me that his effort was minimal.

The McCanns didn't book a ten day holiday.
Madeleine was not with her brother as she climbed the steps of the plane.
The McCanns didn't go to the beach or the Paraiso on 3rd May.
Kate McCann didn't lower the shutters on the children's bedroom window after putting them into bed.
The Oldfields didn't have two daughters.
Madeleine's Fund does not have trustees.
I never before heard that Brian Kennedy was Praia da Luz based.
There were no patrols by Ocean Club security guards.
The Paynes were on the first floor, not the ground floor.
Matthew Oldfield didn't check his child by going through his garden gate at 9.38pm
The twins didn't whimper when Kate discovered Madeleine was missing.
Kate's hysterical shouts didn't bring Charlotte Pennington from a nearby apartment where she was on watch.

I didn't bother because as I have said I didn't expect to have as much knowledge about the case as I and others do
If he'd found something of interest it would soon come out
He didn't

[G-Unit]

It is easy for us to get the facts now but in the first year before the file was released maybe it was a lot more difficult.

I'm not sure when it was published. He quotes from Matthew Oldfield's 4th May statement at one point. It doesn't matter anyway, my point about investigative journalism stands. They are supposed to find and reveal hidden facts, not make facts up themselves.