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Offline Caroline

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2019, 11:04:41 PM »

So according to Bamber Matthew Young was his enabler



Monday, 21 October 2019
Message from Jeremy Bamber

Jeremy would like to extend his appreciation to everyone who has contacted him and the campaign with kind messages of support following the front-page news article on Saturday the 19th of October, regarding the call logs evidence. 
"It is these many of messages of support and goodwill I have received from you all that keeps me focused and determined to correct my wrongful and unlawful conviction. A big thank you also to Matthew Young and the Daily Mirror for enabling the public at large to read the truth about just one of the ways Essex Police, and the prosecution manipulated the case against me.
The public reaction to this new alibi evidence being released makes me smile knowing how much more evidence of my innocence has been uncovered on every aspect of my case which has yet to be put into the public arena.
I’m currently working hard with my legal and campaign team to achieve a referral to the Court of Appeal as soon as possible. I feel excited at what the future holds, and I will be able to share more news with you in the next few weeks."

Thank you all
Jeremy

Matthew Young was the reporter but how could Bamber receive so many messages in such a sort time?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2019, 11:11:19 PM »
Matthew Young was the reporter but how could Bamber receive so many messages in such a sort time?

Matthew Young was a reporter for the Daily Star before moving to the Mirror to cover maternity leave. Seems he stayed on after the 6 months https://www.responsesource.com/bulletin/news/matthew-young-set-switch-star-mirror/

I suspect his “minions/flying monkeys” https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/6891/avoid-flying-monkeys/ have helped him exaggerate?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2019, 11:23:44 PM »
The CT promoted it on Twitter and Bill Robertson promoted it on the blue forum - I suspect that it originated with the CT and anyone of them could have been responsible,

Have only just seen this.

Yes, bottom line - seems Matthew Young has been duped

Bambers recent “message” is as see through as the rest of his psychopathic spiel

Makes me smile”

“I feel excited”
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Offline anglolawyer

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2019, 10:59:05 PM »
So, no sign anywhere of this miracle ‘new’ document? Btw. why does the Mirror think Bamber called the cops from WHF? No one on either side claims that, do they?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2019, 09:45:14 AM »
Here we go again, it must be getting near to Christmas?

Jeremy Bamber's 'new evidence' that could free him after 33 years behind bars

EXCLUSIVE The mass killer was jailed for shooting parents Nevill and June, model sister Sheila “Bambi” Caffell, and her six-year-old twin sons Daniel and Nicholas at White House Farm, Essex, in August 1985.

By Matthew Young
Published 18 October 2019

Mass murderer Jeremy Bamber claims he has unearthed phone call evidence that could set him free, 33 years after he was jailed for slaughtering his family.

Bamber, 58, has found a phone log he says proves he did not shoot parents Nevill and June, model sister Sheila “Bambi” Caffell, and her six-year-old twin sons Daniel and Nicholas in August 1985.

Bamber is serving a full life tariff for the massacre at White House Farm in Essex.

His legal team say a police record referring to a call made by Bamber on the night of the White House Farm massacre in 1985 proves he was not there at the time and could form the basis of an appeal.

They say it backs up the theory that Bamber’s sister Sheila Caffell, 26, murdered their parents Nevill and June, both 61, then shot her own sons, twins Nicholas and Daniel, six, before killing herself.

Bamber’s lawyer Mark Newby said: “The evidence strongly suggests the chain of events could not have been what the prosecution alleged.”

The phone call evidence forms one element of a huge bundle Bamber’s team will soon submit to the Criminal Case Review Commission.

The previously unseen police document appears to back up Bamber’s story that two calls were made to police on the night of the murders, one from his father and one from him after Nevill rang saying Sheila had “gone crazy”.

At his trial, the prosecution said only one call was made to police – from Jeremy Bamber at 3.26am from the crime scene, White House Farm in Tolleshunt D’Arcy, Essex. But the new document describes a call to police from Jeremy Bamber timed at “approx 3.37am”.

His legal team argue it shows Bamber could not have made the 3.26am call from the farm and returned to his home 3.5 miles away in Goldhanger to make the second call.

The “3.37am” note came from an interview with a PC Myall, of Essex Police, during the Dickinson Inquiry into the force’s handling of the case after Bamber’s conviction in November 1986.

The note was found by Bamber among thousands of police documents released to him in 2011.

PC Myall is noted as telling Dickinson: “We received a telephone call at the P.Stn (Police Station, Witham).

"The officer (PC West) at CD Control (Chelmsford) was on the phone and told us that he was relating information to us and still had the informant (Jeremy Bamber) on the other telephone.”

The trial judge had instructed the jury to disregard Bamber’s claims that he had called police from his home at 3.36am.

And prosecutors told the trial Bamber had invented the call from Nevill to lay the blame on schizophrenic Sheila, known as Bambi when she worked as a model.

Bamber was convicted by a 10-2 majority of murdering his family to claim a £436,000 inheritance.

He was initially sentenced to five life sentences, to serve a minimum 25 years, but that was increased to a whole life tariff in 1994.

The Mirror revealed in 2010 how lost phone logs showed it was Nevill who called police at 3.26am.

A further record submitted to the Criminal Case Review Commission in 2010 showed a 3.36am call to police from Jeremy Bamber.

But the CCRC ruled the 3.36am call was noted in error and that there was just one call, from Jeremy not Nevill, made at 3.26am from White House Farm scene.

The new “3.37am” note is said to prove the existence of the second call.

ITV last week announced a drama about the murders next year, with Freddie Fox as Bamber, who is in Wakefield jail, West Yorkshire.

Bamber was famously pictured with girlfriend Julie Mugford, 21, struggling to contain his grief walking behind his parents’ coffins at their funeral.

After Julie found he had cheated on her, she told police Bamber had talked of hiring a hitman to kill his parents.

A blood-stained silencer was also found at the farm by Bamber’s cousin.

Bamber’s team say they now have evidence of two silencers examined by police, both believed to contain blood that could belong to Sheila or now-deceased cousin Robert Boutflour.

They say a forensic report has been given to the CPS about this evidence. Bamber believes police always had evidence that would have cleared him, but failed to disclose it at his trial, his first appeal in 1989 or second in 2002.

Between 2004 and 2011, Bamber made three CCRC submissions in a failed attempt to get his case back to the Court of Appeal. He has also made appeals against his whole life tariff.

Essex Police said: “There has never been anything to suggest that he was wrongly convicted.” But Bamber’s lawyer is now hopeful of a new appeal.

Mr Newby said: “The phone call information is consistent with what Jeremy Bamber always said. It is part of a package of evidence that should lead to a positive review for Jeremy.

“It’s fair to say when we go back to the CCRC we will have a pretty strong package which we hope they will refer to the Court of Appeal. We hope we will get it across the line.

“If we do, it is probably this country’s greatest ever miscarriage of justice.”

The case against
The prosecution said Bamber, then 24, had cycled to White House Farm and got in via an insecure window before murdering his family.

Girlfriend Julie Mugford said Bamber had planned the killings and had phoned her, saying: “Tonight’s the night.”

A silencer found three days later had Sheila’s blood inside. Prosecutors said she could hardly have put it back in the cupboard if she had lready killed herself with it.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-new-evidence-could-20651305

Jeremy Bamber: Missing police phone log could clear Bambi killer - Exclusive

By Jon Clements 5th Aug 2010


“Lawyers are examining a “lost” police phone log which they claim proves he was innocent of shooting dead five relatives.

The document backs his story that the 1985 Essex massacre was carried out by his “crazed” sister Sheila, known as Bambi.

Now Bamber, 49, is set to launch a fresh appeal against his life sentence.

One of the logs, previously unseen, suggests Bamber’s father Nevill called police on the night of the massacre at White House Farm in Essex.

The note written on August 7, 1985, is titled “daughter gone berserk” and timed at 3.26am – 10 minutes BEFORE a second note records Bamber’s own distress call.

It states: “Mr Bamber, White House Farm, Tolleshunt d’Arcy – daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 years, has got hold of one of my guns.” The message adds that “Mr Bamber has a collection of shotguns and .410s” and includes the correct phone number for White House Farm.

It also records that patrol car CA7 was despatched to the scene at 3.35am, one minute before Bamber rang from his cottage in nearby Goldhanger village.

The message is strikingly similar to the scenario Bamber has consistently claimed his 61-year-old father described to him.

Bamber rang Chelmsford police station at 3.36am, according to a second log also obtained by the Mirror. He told an officer: “You’ve got to help me. My father’s just phoned me, he said, ‘Please come over, your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun’.” The log has small but significant differences to the other note, indicating it relates to a different call.

It refers to Sheila as a “sister” who had gone “crazy” with a gun. And it records that another car, CA5, was separately sent to the farmhouse – again indicating the logs refer to different calls.

The documents are among 100,000 pieces of paper Bamber has sifted through in his prison cell at Full Sutton with the help of his lawyers and supporters.

Prosecutors told Bamber’s trial he invented the call from his father to lay the blame on his schizophrenic sister Sheila, a former model known as Bambi. The judge told jurors – never shown the earlier log – that the existence or not of 61-year-old Nevill’s call was crucial in determining the former public schoolboy’s guilt.

They found Bamber guilty of murdering Nevill, mum June, Sheila, and her twin six-year-old sons Nicholas and Daniel to claim a £436,000 inheritance.

He is currently serving a whole life tariff after being branded “evil almost beyond belief”.

The new evidence is being examined by the Criminal Cases Review Commission which will announce within weeks if Bamber is to have a third appeal. Senior figures at the CCRC are understood to harbour long-term doubts about the safety of his conviction which they have referred to appeal judges once before.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-missing-police-phone-239793

A Bill Robertson left a customer review for Carol Ann Lee’s book here https://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RAIT0ALLFNUB9 in October 2015

Excerpt:
One more example; how can you claim to write the definitive investigation without even mentioning that PC's Cracknell and Norcup were the first police officers to be sent to White House Farm by PC West at Chelmsford police station, five minutes before Jeremy telephoned the police. How can you not speculate why they drove there so slowly, taking 50 minutes to arrive? Perhaps they drove so slowly because they were responding to the call to PC West from Nevill Bamber and he did not convey any urgency in his phone call?

How about mentioning that there is unambiguous evidence that there are two different versions of PC West's incident recording message log; one clearly a forgery? Why not speculate on the reasons for needing to forge police documentation?


24. In the early hours of Wednesday, 7 August the appellant telephoned Chelmsford Police Station on a direct line number as opposed to the 999 emergency call system and spoke to PC West. He said, "You've got to help me. My father has just rung me and said, "Please come over. Your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun." Then the line went dead". He explained that he had tried to ring his father back at White House Farm but he could not get a reply.

25. Using a radio link PC West contacted Malcolm Bonnet at the Chelmsford H/Q Information Room. PC West then spoke to the appellant again, who complained at the time the officer was taking. He said, "When my father rang he sounded terrified". The appellant was told to go to the farm and to wait there for the police. PC West described the appellant as sounding "very laconic" and calm during the first part of their conversation and said that there was no sense of urgency. When he spoke to him again the appellant appeared "more urgent and distressed in his manner".

26. PC West recorded the time of the appellant's call as 3.36 a.m. At trial it was accepted that the officer had misread a digital clock. The officer's contact with Mr Bonnett was recorded as being at 3.26 a.m. and it seems clear that the appellant's call must have been at 3.26 a.m. or very shortly before.

27. At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking.

The arrival of the police at White House Farm 28. PS Bews, PC Myall and PC Saxby drove from Witham Police Station passing the appellant in his car on their way to the farm. He was travelling at a speed very much slower than their vehicle. Ann Eaton's evidence was that the appellant was normally "a very, very fast driver". The appellant's car arrived at the farmhouse 1-2 minutes after the police vehicle.

29. The appellant told the officers about the telephone call from his father, adding that it sounded as though someone had cut him off. When asked if it was possible that his sister was inside with a gun he said yes. He told the police that he did not get on with her. He was asked if it was likely that his sister had gone berserk with a gun and he replied, "I don't really know. She is a nutter. She's been having treatment." When asked why his father had called him and not the police, he said that his father was not the sort of person to get "organisations" involved, preferring to keep things within the family. When asked why he had not dialled 999, the appellant said he did not think it would make any difference to the time it would have taken for the police to arrive.
http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2019, 11:52:37 AM »
JB's back will be up against the wall now more than ever with the recent appointment of Tory MP Priti Patel to Home Sec who many describe as 'hard right'.  PP has in the past been critical of JB's efforts to use the media to air his views and overturn his conviction.  She is also supportive of his extended family.  In theory none of this should affect the rise or fall of any CCRC app/CoA hearing but I wouldn't mind betting it will!

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/8388603.why-was-killer-bamber-given-access-to-media/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2019, 12:08:57 PM »
JB's back will be up against the wall now more than ever with the recent appointment of Tory MP Priti Patel to Home Sec who many describe as 'hard right'.  PP has in the past been critical of JB's efforts to use the media to air his views and overturn his conviction.  She is also supportive of his extended family.  In theory none of this should affect the rise or fall of any CCRC app/CoA hearing but I wouldn't mind betting it will!

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/8388603.why-was-killer-bamber-given-access-to-media/

His back was “up against the wall” the moment his lies were unravelled by Essex police and they recognised he’d attempted to con them all by manipulating them into believing his sister was guilty of the crimes he’d committed!

The CCRC will have records of all Bamber’s previous BS and like in the Eddie Gilfoyle case will recognise the discrepancies in his stories.

Priti Patel doesn’t come into it!

When asked why his father had called him and not the police, he said that his father was not the sort of person to get "organisations" involved, preferring to keep things within the family.”
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2019, 04:56:20 PM »
His back was “up against the wall” the moment his lies were unravelled by Essex police and they recognised he’d attempted to con them all by manipulating them into believing his sister was guilty of the crimes he’d committed!

The CCRC will have records of all Bamber’s previous BS and like in the Eddie Gilfoyle case will recognise the discrepancies in his stories.

Priti Patel doesn’t come into it!

When asked why his father had called him and not the police, he said that his father was not the sort of person to get "organisations" involved, preferring to keep things within the family.”

A former home secretary has come into it ie Michael Howard who increased JB's prison sentence, set by the trial judge, from 25 years to whole life. 

Priti Patel has in the past been a proponent of capital punishment!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2019, 05:48:07 PM »
That should be Douglas Hurd in 1988, priti pussy.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline thedarkman

Jeremy Bamber again
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2019, 07:14:39 PM »
I joined this forum or the other one a few years ago. When I tried to sign in last night, I couldn't, so have re-registered.  I can't believe the media is still giving this lowlife credibility.

Can someone tell me who is behind the Blue Forum and what is its purpose? I think I know but would like it confirmed.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2019, 10:56:41 PM »
That should be Douglas Hurd in 1988, priti pussy.

Pretty please I beg to differ.  I think it was DH who ordered a review of policing in general following the initial  investigation which found SC was responsible and MH who increased JB's sentence?

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2019, 08:34:45 AM »
Pretty please I beg to differ.  I think it was DH who ordered a review of policing in general following the initial  investigation which found SC was responsible and MH who increased JB's sentence?
Hurd also introduced the Whole Life Tariff in 1988, for others as well as Bamber, but failed to inform him (or them). So it was left to Howard to drop the bombshell six years later.

From QC Edward Fitzgerald's 2016 lecture, "Life Without Parole":

2.1.   The idea that someone must serve their whole life in prison as punishment for the offence of murder first emerged in 1988. It was not until 1994 that Michael Howard acknowledged the existence of a category of life sentence prisoners who had whole life tariffs.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2019, 08:35:51 AM »
... and from Wiki:

In December 1994, Home Secretary Michael Howard told Bamber that he would remain in prison for the rest of his life, following a decision by the home secretary of the day, Douglas Hurd.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2019, 09:29:44 AM »
Thanks Myster. 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The alleged telephone calls to police
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2019, 01:57:50 PM »
Roch states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10006.msg458017.html?PHPSESSID=jii1sjp96lmd3l88tuiqmjes67#msg458017

David, how about this...
After taking over the case from a previous standpoint where Sheila Caffell was implicated - and a casefile of evidence had been assembled supporting this conclusion
In order to prosecute Jeremy Bamber, Ainsley has to:
[1] Coordinate and lead a fresh round of statement taking, including altering or burying some previous statements, that were taken prior to him taking over the case?
[2] Not have to coordinate or lead a fresh round of statement taking.  Not have to alter or bury any previous statements that were taken prior to him taking over the case?
1 = conspiracy
2 = ?

It's impossible to pinpoint why police would sacrifice a person they either knew to be innocent or suspected was likely innocent.  Some police officers clearly favoured the relatives and empathised with their pleas, regarding their perceived 'plight'.  It's possible that the patriarch of the relatives had got wind of some info via an informal channel.  For example, things not stacking up in relation the TFG op, the positioning of bodies, 'informatives' coming in to carry out training - who knows.
But once the deputy head ordered that the attention should be turned on to JB, the culture at that time was for subordinates to be expected to fall in line and follow suit.  in these circs... if those officers now 'on the up' happened to be the same officers who had a cosy relationship with the relatives...


conspiracy
/kənˈspɪrəsi/
noun
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.



Why does Roch refer to Essex police as having carried out a conspiracy?

There wasn’t a secret plan to go after Bamber!

The police recognised they’d been duped. Bamber’s discrepancies didn’t add up. The evidence in totality pointed toward Jeremy Bamber having been responsible for the murders and not his sister.

”In order to prosecute Jeremy Bamber, Ainsley has to:” Who prosecuted Bamber?
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