Are there any parallels with the Simon Hall case?

[adam]

Ugh. Benson and Bamber, what a couple of maggots. How can ANYONE be fooled by Bamber's cringeworthy performance at the funeral?

 &%&£(+

https://youtu.be/_LNqtwFjFBM

I notice the funeral footage has Bamber with his head bowed & his hand covering his face. Apart from the section where he got out of the car.

Julie when giving her version of events (4 minutes) looks straight into the interviewers eyes.

[adam]

Another similarity between Bamber & Benson was they both contacted the police.

Bamber after receieving his 'mysterious' call from Nevill. Benson I assume after the car exploded, considering he was only yards away when it happened.

Benson should have driven 20 miles away to buy his equipment. Had a better disguise & worn gloves. I don't know why the shop would have a receipt of the transaction. He wasn't buying a house.

[Holly Goodhead]

Stephanie for the record I did not create this thread.  John moved some posts from another thread and created the thread in my name.  In any event I don't believe I've ever made any posts about you that could in any way shape or form be regarded as cyberbullying or such like.  If you disagree please identify the post(s) in question to enable me to review them.  If I've over stepped the mark I have no problem apologising and removing posts(s). 

If you continue to post on public forums about Simon Hall's case and your association with him you shouldn't expect everyone to share your views.  Others are entitled to disagree and post accordingly.   

[Holly Goodhead]

https://youtu.be/EKhVSkZXrhY

There are a lot of similarities between Bamber & Steve Benson -

Both Inheritance killers.

Same year.

Benson also tried to kill his sister.

Benson also tried and succeeded in killing another relative.

Benson tried to look upset at the televised funeral.

Benson's mother had found out Benson had been committing financial crimes against her. 

Benson's mother was also considering disinheriting him.

The jury reached a verdict quickly.

Benson tried to blame other people for the crime. But unlike Bamber, was very vague about who.

Benson also wanted to live beyond his means. And did not like having to depend on his mother.

Benson did not like the controlling influence his mother tried to exert.

A bomb caused the deaths of Bensons family, Benson being the number one suspect. But Benson may have had the same view as Bamber after robbing the caravan site -  'they will never be able to prove it'.

He sounds dim?  In a country where firearms are common place I doubt many are murdered by pipe bombs?  And what would be the motive? 

I don't really see any similarities.  The only other case that I'm aware of where I see some similarities is the case of David Bain.

- Dysfunctional family
- 4 murders/1 suicide
- Murder weapon .22 rifle

[Nicholas]

Hall maintained innocence for some 10 years and then confessed.  JB is still maintaining innocence after some 30 years.
 

The difference with Bamber is that he had slaughtered his immediate family therefore they were unable to set the rumour mill into action like Hall's family did. It took over 10 years for the zenith burglary omission to finally catch up with him.

And as I said to NGB this morning, it makes no difference whether Bamber has maintained innocence for a year, a decade or half a century.. It's immaterial

He has nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so

[Nicholas]

He sounds dim?  In a country where firearms are common place I doubt many are murdered by pipe bombs?  And what would be the motive? 

I don't really see any similarities.  The only other case that I'm aware of where I see some similarities is the case of David Bain.

- Dysfunctional family
- 4 murders/1 suicide
- Murder weapon .22 rifle

Another similarity in the Hall case is that he also wanted his website shutdown

As NGB has today confirmed - it's all about Bambers need for control

To control what is written about him

To ensure that only what is manufactured by him is allowed to be seen by the public

And have you recognised the blue forum control what is allowed to be posted on the forum and that it is manufactured to support innocence as opposed to being seen to be fair

Ask Jackie Holly she'll tell you. She described it once as "sanitised" in other words posts were removed to reflect their bias

NGB reasoned today, after someone suggested the behind the scenes behaviour sounded "catty" http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8692.msg421132.html#msg421132

"It can be.  There was one member here who never posted but came onto the forum in order to print off posts and send them to JB.  He was selecting posts and threads which he knew would wind JB up and he was not presenting a fair overall view of forum debate.  Eventually he was challenged and then banned.

This behaviour is often referred to as blame shifting. It is done in order to suggest Bamber is the victim of abuse as opposed to Bamber being the abuser

[Nicholas]

Let's be logical here Holly

Jeremy Bamber is serving a whole life tarif for mass murder of his family members, including 2 sleeping boys - one found deceased sucking his thumb


Are we REALLY expected to believe Bamber is "wound up" by a few choice words on an Internet forum made by complete strangers to him

Have you ever stopped to think it could actually be Bambers supporters who are "wound up" by internet forum posts as opposed to Bamber himself

[Nicholas]

Logically Holly don't you think after nearly 33 years Jeremy Bamber has become de sensitised to anything said or spoken to him

Do you have visions of him crying himself to sleep at night after receiving pages and pages of print outs of an internet forum dedicated to debating his alleged innocence

And what of his supporters, do you think they to have become de-sensitised with regards the details of the murders.

Do you think they detach themselves from reality, for example, when viewing the crime scene photos

Wouldn't one normally have nightmares after seeing such grusome imagery

[Nicholas]

Hall had a habit of telling me about some of the letters he received from others and I ended up unknowingly, and to my detriment, doing his bidding for him.

He would more often than not forward me the letters so that I could defend him.

This is EXACTLY what Bamber does

Why oh why did Trudi go to the graveyard of his victims.

I hold my hands up to doing some foolish things myself when I once did what she now does

But is she making money out of the Bamber campaign or is it all above board

I ask because of my experience of the WAP charity org http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=19.0

[Nicholas]

Hall had a habit of telling me about some of the letters he received from others and I ended up unknowingly, and to my detriment, doing his bidding for him.

He would more often than not forward me the letters so that I could defend him.

This is EXACTLY what Bamber does

Bamber behaves the same as Simon Hall did


"The sociopath is a high level con who manages to dupe people so thoroughly that his/her fans will persecute, silence, and ostracize a victim who complains about mistreatment. These people are in denial and they will reject information that doesn’t correspond to their highly favorable perception of the sociopath. The victim’s accounts of abuse will upset them, and may anger them. By defending an influential sociopath and abusing his/her target by proxy, the followers prove their loyalty and hope to win favor while getting closer to the influential sociopath they are instinctively attracted to.https://psychopathresistance.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/flying-monkeys/

[Nicholas]

Jeremy Bamber and Simon Hall display/displayed these patterns of behaviour

"Psychopaths are in love with power and risk taking, masters of manipulation, self-serving opportunism and self-aggrandizement, and hold doctorates in deceit and deception. Psychopaths are super intelligent charmers who are highly skilled at playing others in order to get what they want. They are keenly perceptive at reading people, understanding their motives and values, brilliant at learning their weaknesses and blind spots, and highly effective at inducing both sympathy and guilt in others.

Instinctively knowing what others want to hear, psychopaths are gifted at winning over others, making them feel special and wanted. They are adept at making positive and lasting first impressions and initially demonstrating that they appear to be caring and considerate, but only on the most superficial, disingenuous level. Their innately keen intelligence, social charisma and charm, extroverted energies, over-the-top confidence are all weapons they utilize in their powerful arsenal to win over, defeat and control others, especially to win over those imbued with power and position that they yearn for themselves.

Psychopaths have an uncanny ability to pick brains, soliciting information, knowledge, creative ideas and even secrets from others, yet opportunistically utilize them to their own advantage as living proof that information is power, parading them as their own ideas and knowledge, and craftily taking and receiving undeserving credit and accolades from bosses and those in power. They are gifted actors, able to take on chameleon-like colors according to their particular social setting and company. Though they lack a capacity to feel emotions with any depth or intensity, as actors and manipulators they are able to manufacture crocodile tears for effect whenever it suits and benefits them.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/masters-of-manipulation-psychopaths-rule-the-world/5383706

[adam]

Why did Simon Hall confess. Was new evidence piling up on him ?

When he confessed, how did he prove that he was the killer. Did he mention things no one else knew ?

[Nicholas]

Why did Simon Hall confess. Was new evidence piling up on him ?

When he confessed, how did he prove that he was the killer. Did he mention things no one else knew ?

Have you read some of his letters Adam?

https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/27/the-burglary-omission-smear-campaign-hindsight/

SH letters https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/simon-hall-letters/

[Nicholas]

Why did Simon Hall confess. Was new evidence piling up on him ?

When he confessed, how did he prove that he was the killer. Did he mention things no one else knew ?

In a nutshell, I guess you could say, like Bamber his mask slipped https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ce7TO3aMgNs

He was already a proven killer, just as Bamber is

His proclamations of plausible deniability were gradually erased, again like Bamber's


This is worth a read Adam - The Mask of Sanity http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/sanity_1.pdf

And this https://sociopathlife.com/seductionstage-2/sociopath-and-duping-delight/ Bamber relies on the behaviours of others to do his bidding and knowingly or unknowingly they feed into his inadiquacies

[adam]

I believe Bamber reached the point of no return when he continued protesting his innocence after the 1986 verdict.

Criminals will admit to a crime before a trial starts. So they can give their outlandish version of events to try to get a better sentance.  Ian Huntley did this.  After a trial the convicted person may admit to their crime, such as Tracy Andrews. A lot of criminals will just do their time & accept the sentance.

Bamber could have admitted his guilt before the trial.  But don't blame him for not doing so as he was going for an aquittal.

Once he started appealing & making complaints to the 'Police Complaints Authority', there was no going back. He was young & an early release on a technicality may have meant he could resume the life he had for a month after the massacre.

Since his 'Campaign for Freedom' has gone online he has gained a few more supporters, so will continue protesting his innocence despite no chance of a release.